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by shrabe on 19 February 2009 - 12:02
I can't believe this is true. Just yesterday a friend of mine picked up a dog she imported from Germany at the airport.
by hodie on 19 February 2009 - 14:02
IT IS NOT TRUE - HOW MANY TIMES DO WE NEED TO SAY THIS?
by kirama on 19 February 2009 - 16:02
I am not lying, and the only shipments that I have knowledge of this affecting are puppies exported from Canada to the US. When I first read about this, I thought it might be some wild internet rumor so I personally called the airlines, as I said before NWA (Delta) and Continental have suspended shipments that are not going through a customs broker or indirect freight broker. So far Air Canada & United have not changed their procedures. If anyone is concerned as to whether or not this might affect them I would suggest that you call the airline yourself.
by GSDguy08 on 19 February 2009 - 17:02
lol Hodie you might as well give up. No matter how many times you say that someone else didn't read your post and thinks it's true. Some people just won't read the WHOLE thing I guess.
by Bucko on 19 February 2009 - 17:02
Our very own Berlin Wall.
by Arcticsun on 19 February 2009 - 18:02
Sadly some people cant see past the end of thier own fingers. Yesterday I had all the flights for my litter canceled. This was for Continental, Delta/Northwest. The new regulation is that dogs must be not only booked through a broker but also the person physically delivering the puppy to the airport must be a licenced known shipper with that particular airline. The people workign at the call centers for booking the flights still do not all know about this. That is why they are taking bookings and then having to cancel them shortly before the dogs leave. This was in the works a month ago however it was not believed that it included live animals. THAT is why it wasnt widely announced.
In a nutshell, here is whats up.....
If you are shipping a dog from the US to Canada this does not affect you. Canada's borders are still open.
If you are shipping a dog from Europe to the US this MIGHT affect you as the flight most likely used a broker and known shipper in the first place. If not there is a very real possibility of the dogs being refused or as a friend just had this morning, a broker/shipper had to be found in a hurry and agree (at horrendous rates) to start representing the animal who was already on the plane and half way accross the Atlantic.
If you are shipping from Canada to the US, this includes returning a dog that is just here for breeding or competition and is from the US. Then you will have to pay the exporbident Broker rates also or you will have to drive the dog back personally.
To those who say "YES! Close the border! We dont want dogs brought to the US or to be able to breed to dog outside the US". How incredably ignorant and short sighted. So you are saying that your prefer a limited genepool and not having a choice in who you breed to? You seem to be saying that people should be forced to only breed the dogs they have at home. Could this sour grape statement be because your dogs are not as good as the people who use the best genetics they can find regardless of where they occurr and this way you hope to limit what they can do for breedings? Is it because no one wants their dogs bred to yours or because your too cheap to bring in anything? Obviously you belive that genetic diversity and health are not important. YOU have the choice to keep to your own "bloodline" , no one is forcing you to breed to other dogs. You just go on ahead an keep your own line to just a single stick. This is a matter much broader in scope than you could ever fathom.
In a nutshell, here is whats up.....
If you are shipping a dog from the US to Canada this does not affect you. Canada's borders are still open.
If you are shipping a dog from Europe to the US this MIGHT affect you as the flight most likely used a broker and known shipper in the first place. If not there is a very real possibility of the dogs being refused or as a friend just had this morning, a broker/shipper had to be found in a hurry and agree (at horrendous rates) to start representing the animal who was already on the plane and half way accross the Atlantic.
If you are shipping from Canada to the US, this includes returning a dog that is just here for breeding or competition and is from the US. Then you will have to pay the exporbident Broker rates also or you will have to drive the dog back personally.
To those who say "YES! Close the border! We dont want dogs brought to the US or to be able to breed to dog outside the US". How incredably ignorant and short sighted. So you are saying that your prefer a limited genepool and not having a choice in who you breed to? You seem to be saying that people should be forced to only breed the dogs they have at home. Could this sour grape statement be because your dogs are not as good as the people who use the best genetics they can find regardless of where they occurr and this way you hope to limit what they can do for breedings? Is it because no one wants their dogs bred to yours or because your too cheap to bring in anything? Obviously you belive that genetic diversity and health are not important. YOU have the choice to keep to your own "bloodline" , no one is forcing you to breed to other dogs. You just go on ahead an keep your own line to just a single stick. This is a matter much broader in scope than you could ever fathom.
by oakleystrs on 19 February 2009 - 20:02
I had a dog who was sent to Canada to finish his championship scheduled to go out of Calgary Wed, Feb 18. Tuesday evening, I was phoned by Continental Airlines and informed that I would need to have a broker do the paperwork on the dog. When I asked why, they said it was a new TSA Regulation that had just come thru.
I called the handler and told her that she needed to find a broker, which she did (Boomerang Pet Carrier - www.boomerangpetcarrier.com). This increased the price to ship this dog by $300!
Yesterday, I spent literally all day on the phone with TSA, US Customs, Canada Customs and Homeland Security. NONE of these people know ANYTHING about this new "TSA Regulation"!! I was directed to the following link and have yet to find anything requiring live animals to have a "broker" consigned to check a dog in. Click here: http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/Aviation_and_Transportation_Security_Act_ATSA_Public_Law_107_1771.pdf I called Continental back to confront them on the fact that they were saying it was a TSA regulation. When I asked for them to email me the regulation, they refused and said that it was an interoffice memorandum and that it wasn't something "for public knowledge". Today, I am writing letters to the President and the CEO of Continental. My agent did get the following from Menzie's Aviation yesterday. Again, this is NOT a complete regulation and if there is one, it's in a Government Act or Law and would be on the government website. And, I really THINK the TSA people would know about it...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Menzies Aviation - Calgary Phone (403) 250-2033
They handle almost all US carrier cargo out of calgary.
Above is the excerpt from the TSA change 5 in effect as of 02/01/09. From the AOSSP.
This is what we have to follow. This applies to all airlines that enter US airspace.
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I called the handler and told her that she needed to find a broker, which she did (Boomerang Pet Carrier - www.boomerangpetcarrier.com). This increased the price to ship this dog by $300!
Yesterday, I spent literally all day on the phone with TSA, US Customs, Canada Customs and Homeland Security. NONE of these people know ANYTHING about this new "TSA Regulation"!! I was directed to the following link and have yet to find anything requiring live animals to have a "broker" consigned to check a dog in. Click here: http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/Aviation_and_Transportation_Security_Act_ATSA_Public_Law_107_1771.pdf I called Continental back to confront them on the fact that they were saying it was a TSA regulation. When I asked for them to email me the regulation, they refused and said that it was an interoffice memorandum and that it wasn't something "for public knowledge". Today, I am writing letters to the President and the CEO of Continental. My agent did get the following from Menzie's Aviation yesterday. Again, this is NOT a complete regulation and if there is one, it's in a Government Act or Law and would be on the government website. And, I really THINK the TSA people would know about it...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Menzies Aviation - Calgary Phone (403) 250-2033
They handle almost all US carrier cargo out of calgary.
Receiving Tendered Cargo (non-U.S. Origin shipments)
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Above is the excerpt from the TSA change 5 in effect as of 02/01/09. From the AOSSP.
This is what we have to follow. This applies to all airlines that enter US airspace.
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by Daveb on 19 February 2009 - 20:02
This does not apply if you are flying with the dog as checked baggage... Only if you are flying the dog as cargo without actually being on the plane with the dog.
Just got off the phone with my travel agent.
Just got off the phone with my travel agent.
by SKI on 19 February 2009 - 22:02
This is a rule that has been in place for years, but has not been enforced.
We use Dana at lewistravel.com and she is fully aware of what is going on; she is very experienced in booking flights for people and their dogs. No issue with people flying with their dogs as checked baggage.
Gradlyn has been recommending to use a broker for quite some time for importation into the US for all dogs flying as cargo - by themselves.
We use Dana at lewistravel.com and she is fully aware of what is going on; she is very experienced in booking flights for people and their dogs. No issue with people flying with their dogs as checked baggage.
Gradlyn has been recommending to use a broker for quite some time for importation into the US for all dogs flying as cargo - by themselves.
by jletcher18 on 20 February 2009 - 02:02
so what does a broker do? sign another piece of paper and charge you for it?
we shipped a pup out on tuesday, the 16th and had no problem.
maybe thats how we are going to stimulate the economy. create more jobs by charging more for everything.
john
we shipped a pup out on tuesday, the 16th and had no problem.
maybe thats how we are going to stimulate the economy. create more jobs by charging more for everything.
john
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