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by 4pack on 31 July 2008 - 06:07
The pain my grandparents felt for my mothers failures, inspired me. I wanted to prove to them and myself I wasn't doomed to idiocy just because she was a moron and pissed her life away. They are great people and they did they best they could, were financially pretty well off, raised 5 kids, move from the city to the country to help their kids grow up better. LOL so much for all that huh? How do you explain good family raises looser and looser raises normal person? Actually I always say, I raised my mother. Ha ha. I recall having a very heavy conciense as a child, as young as 4 years old. I didn't ask for toys I knew my mother didn't have money for. I didn't want her to feel guilty, how scred up is that? Some people either have one or they don't. Thats my theory.
by JustLurkin on 31 July 2008 - 06:07
Well I will be damned all to hell and back again. Blame it on everything else.
Now it's the teachers, the meth, the drugs, the alcohol, welfare, trailer trash. By God all you have to do is look to your left and your right and you'll find the excuse you're looking for.
Last generation's teachers didn't teach the parents past the 5th grade. This generation isn't doing any better and the parents can't or won't help because they don't have any education.
Last generation it was pot and coke and LSD, PCP, Acid, whatever. This generation it's crack, crank, meth, whatever.
Quit blaming it on everything else! Parent! It's a noun. It's a verb. It's even an adjective. Do it and don't make excuses for those who don't. Stop blaming the teachers, the welfare system, the drugs, the alcohol.
Prosecute them. And if the Foster home doesn't properly parent the children in their charge, prosecute them!
If the kid acts out in school and the parents don't put a stop to it, prosecute them. Hell, I had to make sure mine behaved and got an education and weren't menaces to society. And I did.
If they endanger their child by letting it get bit by a dog, prosecute them! If they endanger the child by leaving it in a hot car, prosecute them! If they endanger the child by letting it run in the street, prosecute them! If they endanger the child by not insisting that they get an education, prosecute them!
If the child dies because of their neglegence, prosecute the shit out of them and lock them up for the murder that it is.
Stop blaming everybody but the parents. That's where the problem lies.
In this case the teacher didn't let the child alone in a swing unsupervised with dogs. The drugs didn't. The alcohol didn't. The foster parents didn't. The welfare system didn't. The parents did. And if that wasn't enough, the grandparents did too.
And just like "the system" everyone's looking for an excuse, a reason, a justification, a place to lay blame other than the parents. Damn this P.C. society.
And when the D.A. refuses to prosecute and calls it an "unavoidable tragedy" the same people will be up in arms screaming about that and placing blame then too.
by Preston on 31 July 2008 - 07:07
I agree, all lawbreakers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We need to start holding folks accountable, especially our crooked politicians who take bribes, like duke cunningham et al. And any law enforcement officers, especially federal who use their position and authority to abuse and violate the citizens or steal or abuse their animals or defraud them should be dealt much more severe penalties, like 20 to life, especially if terroristic threats are involved.
by JustLurkin on 31 July 2008 - 07:07
by Preston on 31 July 2008 - 07:07I agree, all lawbreakers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We need to start holding folks accountable, especially our crooked politicians who take bribes, like duke cunningham et al. And any law enforcement officers, especially federal who use their position and authority to abuse and violate the citizens or steal or abuse their animals or defraud them should be dealt much more severe penalties, like 20 to life, especially if terroristic threats are involved.
Absolutely! Prosecuting crooked politicians like Duke Cunningham (wake up, this is now 2008) et al, LEO's, Fed's and Terrorists will definitely result in the family of this child being held accountable for his death.
Well said! Really addresses the subject of this thread and provides a solution towards how to handle the murderers of this child.
In addition to teachers, et al being at fault we can now add crooked politicians. LEO's, Fed's and Terrorists.
To the person who just emailed me -- no, I won't disclose your name -- who suggested that I go back to just "lurkin", you may be right. Interesting that you suggest that after thanking me for help not two days ago. No good deed goes unpunished?
I'll give your suggestion the consideration it deserves.
by steve1 on 31 July 2008 - 13:07
With all the bad stuff that goes on in the USA from what i read on this forum, which is sometimes sad to read when it comes to Children and Dogs
i guess i am a lucky Guy to be living in a small more calmer kind of country like Belgium.
I do not say there is no problems, but no where on the scale you folks have to put up with. Yes, i can count my blessings
Steve
by hodie on 31 July 2008 - 17:07
4pack,
I can relate to what you are saying. I grew up without a family, in an incredibly abusive situation and without supervision. But I managed to account for myself well. I did not get into trouble, went to school, earned several advanced degrees, have volunteered all my life in one capacity or another and ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY for my own actions. I also had to realize early on that I could not blame my lack of a nuturing and safe home environment for any misdeeds or miscalculations.
The real question becomes why do some people make it, and many others from situations that are even less burdensome don't make it? I have some theories, and it begins with genetics.
In any case, I could not agree with you more and congratulations on what you did for yourself! There are many other good comments above too, especially about requiring people to be held accountable for this horrific situation.
by PowerHaus on 31 July 2008 - 17:07
Investigation of infant's death continues
Associated Press - July 31, 2008 7:55 AM ET
TULSA, Okla. (AP) - Tulsa police have determined which dog fatally attacked an infant and now want to know what led a Labrador puppy to bite the boy.
Investigators initially weren't sure whether the two-month-old puppy or a small pug had inflicted the injuries that killed 2-month-old Zane Earles, but have concluded the pug wasn't involved.
Zane's father told police that he left the home at 8 a.m. Monday, and the grandfather said he left 30 minutes later. Both said the baby was fine.
The child's 17-year-old mother and his grandmother were asleep in their bedrooms on opposite sides of the house, and the child was left in a baby swing in a dining room.
Zane's mother found his lifeless body at 10:30 a.m. She and her mother were briefly hospitalized.
Officer Leland Ashley says police requested that the puppy be euthanized so that physical evidence could be collected. An autopsy is pending.
Emergency Medical Services Authority officials say the paramedics who responded to the scene and the dispatcher who took the 911 call went to stress management afterward to clear their heads.
by sueincc on 31 July 2008 - 17:07
complete and utter bullshit. These parents left the child alone for up to 90 minutes. I think they were busy concocting a story. Until an autopsy is performed on the baby we will not know what caused his death, but there is just no way a 2 month old pup could have attacked him in the swing & killed him. Here is the video update - police are "sure" the lab pup did it.:
by margarita on 31 July 2008 - 18:07
I hate to hear stories like this one. Especially since I am a new gsd owner and had some reservations about getting a large dog to begin with. My husband wants to train her for schutzhund since both her parents are SCH3. I want a happy, protective family dog, not one that I fear will bite one of my children's friend. I know with proper schutzhund training this will not happen, but I still fear something will happen.
by wanderer on 31 July 2008 - 18:07
Most likely the pup smelled milk on the infant and....
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