O/T Political Rants & Raves - Page 45

Oh you have got to be kidding, the person who supposedly did not know who Rev Wrignt was (if that person truly exists outside of your imagination), must have been living under a rock at the time.  Most of America does NOT get their news from  right wingnut sources like Fox, yet we still managed to hear all about Reverand Wright.   We just didn't place the importance on it you were hoping we would.  We refused to allow you to blow this non issue out of proportion.   I wouldn't be surprised if the rightwingnuts, start pointing to the fact that the man is left handed as some sort of demented proof Obama is evil incarnate.   After all, none of their other lies have worked and they certainly are desperate enough.

MVF:  I think you are on target.   Both extremes only serve to polarize, and are a complete waste of time.

MVF,

Care to respond

Quotes From Walter Williams :

"What about the decline of the black family? In 1960, only 28 percent of black females between the ages of 15 and 44 were never married. Today, it's 56 percent. In 1940, the illegitimacy rate among blacks was 19 percent, in 1960, 22 percent, and today, it's 70 percent. Some argue that the state of the black family is the result of the legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty. That has to be nonsense. A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia shows that three-quarters of black families were nuclear families, comprised of two parents and children. In New York City in 1925, 85 percent of kin-related black households had two parents. In fact, according to Herbert Gutman in The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom: 1750-1925, "Five in six children under the age of 6 lived with both parents." Therefore, if one argues that what we see today is a result of a legacy of slavery, discrimination and poverty, what's the explanation for stronger black families at a time much closer to slavery -- a time of much greater discrimination and of much greater poverty? I think that a good part of the answer is there were no welfare and Great Society programs."

"Across the U.S., black males represent up to 70 percent of prison populations. Are they in prison for crimes against whites? To the contrary, their victims are primarily other blacks. Department of Justice statistics for 2001 show that in nearly 80 percent of violent crimes against blacks, both the victim and the perpetrator were the same race. In other words, it's not Reaganites, Bush supporters, right-wing ideologues or the Klan causing blacks to live in fear of their lives and property and making their neighborhoods economic wastelands."


RPK

MVF,

The legacy of racism was not the dismantling of the black nuclear family.  That is the legacy of government programs.

RFS

What's YOUR point RPK?  What are the conclusions YOU draw from your statistics?   

You are aware also, aren't you, that according to the statistics compiled by the Department of Justice, regarding all areas of crime, more than 70% of offenders arrested are white, and approximately a quarter of those arrested are African American.  Yet those figures almost flip when it comes to being prosecuted and incarcerated.  Another interesting factoid, when it comes to sentences, African Americans are delt much harsher sentences than their white criminal counter parts for the exact same crime.  Why is that RPK?  How do you account for the disparity in our so called "blind" criminal justice system?

Sue,

The last time I looked at DOJ crime stats, whites included all groups that were not black, native american, pacific islander, or asian.  Also, those stats showed that a full 50% of murders were commited by blacks.

RFS

MVF

Thank you. 

The legacy of racism lies, within racism. That is evident.

* "(e.g., blacks in the ghetto)" *  --  racism isn't even in the ghetto, not in my neck of the woods anyhows. Must be the name of the pub... Liberty Bar & Grill  .. LMAO
 You people don't give enough credit where credit is due.  JMO.

"The disagreement, if it is that, is in attributing blame to the right CAUSE. I would assert that the cause is the LEGACY of RACISM. Others appear to think the blame should be aimed at the victims themselves."

Democrats for decades have championed horribly self-defeating governmental programs directed toward the poor; the worst of which penalizes a household in which the father resides.  The family is then blocked from receiving welfare.  Thus, the women are forced to live as the heads of their households in order to obtain benefits.  This program has nothing to do with race.  It affects poor whites in Appalachia just as it does poor blacks in Detroit.

The government could not have designed a more effective plan to destroy the 2 parent family, and to undermine that part of society if they had wanted to. The cynic might even say there was an underlying plan to maintain a permanent underclass.  However, politicians wouldn't ever do that.

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MickyD -- I am so old that Nixon was in the White House when I was in college.  My undergraduate thesis was on The Negative Income Tax and the Supply of Labor, in which it was my task to evaluate all such poverty programs up to that point and make an evidential case for their merits and weaknesses.

I said at the time that one of the best poverty programs presented was being offered by Nixon -- not a Democrat.  It was also presented by Nelson Rockefeller -- also GOP and by McGovern -- a left Dem.  

The Dems were not universally working on poverty policy and neither were they uniquely responsible for them.  It is true that Johnson got a great deal done -- and some of those programs failed.  But as recent research shows, the failure of poverty policy in the US may not have been the programs themselves, but they lack of political will among the American people (and our media).  Some on the right point to the media and political will as part of the blame for Vietnam, you may know.