Breed Improvement Suggestions for the UK GSD Breed Council - Page 45

Tigermouse Re your post 23.09

It is a training issue in trials P D dogs dog a gun attack and do a long down with gun distraction (i think) sch dogs do gun in heeling and long down, and most are stimulated with the whip (as a noise prey stimulation) during protection training police and prison dogs do a gun attack but it is whilst the dog is in protection drive and not in a social situation, i would hope that if you are walking and a car backfires the dog will not look to bite the first person it sees, it SHOULD wait for stimulation and a command from you

Misbeeb

I am sure that Tim and Alli will be at the South Valley trial

Suggestion from all please

What shall we include in the first year working aptitude test!

thanks to all:)

i have never done a breed survey before. lol i have never needed to.

are long stock coats allowed to be surveyed?

I hope Tigermouse as I have one!

Mind you the mood she's in lately with hormones raging she is positively antisocial to other dogs!  Thank god my lot are a tolerant bunch.  Handbags at dawn comes to mind.

Long coats can be surveyed... it's no longer such a no no... I understand the "powers that  be" in Germany are having a "look at the long coats".

Reason, thanks, I hope I see them there.

Basic obedience: heelwork, recall (with finish), retrieve (dumbell), send away (short distance) sit stay, down stay (handler out of sight).

Off lead gaiting, gun test, speak on command?

Some basic agility would be nice, long jump, a frame, some medium height jumps, tunnel etc.

Basic obedience as  missbeeb has said.

Optional detection and protection.

And perhaps some tracking.

Regards, Tracie.

Peggy not only do Schutzhund clubs allow BREED GSD to join and train at their clubs, they even allow NON GSD people to train including Weimaraners, BdF, WSD, BC, GR, AB, Dobes, Rotts, BSD, I could go on. 

I belong to a club who did not, in public, fall about with hysterical laughter when I turned up with my grey dog (they have even converted me to a GSD).

I think it is unfair to accuse some posters of emphasising schutzhund competition over others; some posters have more empirical knowledge of one discipline than another.

I compete with my GSD in both Schutzhund and Working Trials with a modicum of success and I hope to improve.

Also sweeping generalisations regarding the type of training or handling that is encouraged by certain disciplines is also unfair; there are poor, abusive, good and great trainers in ALL disicplines (including showing) as I can personally attest to.  The decision on what methods are adopted are ENTIRELY down to the individual owner/handler.

As a "newbie" to GSD and Breed Surveys etc, I had no problems entering a survey and was actively encouraged to and helped on the day by "breed" people with my "work" dog!

When I want advice/knowledge on a particular aspect  I address the appropriate experts, I then watch, observe, listen and "do my own thing".

The prime motivator for me has often been the dismissive attitudes from others! ROFLMAO

Langhaar

You beat me to the draw, i am still waiting for whichever poster it was, who stated that breeddogs are not allowed (or in so many words) at there local club if they are prepared to state the club i will have that point investigated through the proper channels so i suggest whoever the poster was PUT UP OR SHUT UP

I really don't think any kind of test re: protection is a good idea (sorry Tigermouse) some will have difficulty with basic control... I'm sure I don't need to spell out the potential for disaster here!

Some people will get really interested, when they discover what their dogs can do, some will only do what's necessary.  I think any manwork/protection should be strictly for those who're really interested.

Basically a CDexthen or Sections 1/2 of the Schutzhund test 1 test

The former includes

Search square, 3 articles in 4 minutes

retreive

2 min sit stay out of sight

10 minute down stay out of sight

hell on lead at slow, medium and fast pace no commands

Heel off lead as above

recall

sendaway

3ft clear

9ft long

6ft scale x 2

The latter 3 leg track, two articles, track laid by owner, 20 mins old

heelwork on and off lead fast, medium, slow pace

sendaway

retrieve on flat, ovver hurdle, over A frame

Steadiness to gun

Simple

Langhaar, it has to be pretty basic... C.D. stake requires a lot of work for those that have never worked their dogs!  This has to be realistic, it's a start not a finished product.  If we make it too tough, it'll never get through.  I wouldn't expect anyone (their dog) at the level we're looking at to do the 9ft long jump or a 6ft scale.  They have to be shorter and lower.  Inexperienced handlers mean hurt dogs.