Czech GSD's with bad hips - Page 42

Aadilah I have not avoided anything. You answer my questions  THEN I will answer yours. "Implicated"? You are confused like shrew in a cannon barrage. 
 Actually we are running in different times  2%-8% ( average is 5%)of HD.  How many percent are you running and from how many litters? Please let us know.
Below I will show facts that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. 

1. For example  Kery Kamos Durabo who is line bred on by you despised Grim in combination with by you despised Furo is producing awesome hips. He is actually known and hips pups demanded for that quality. If  we would be breeding by your scheme Kery would not exist .  How would you explain that? With you limited understanding of the topic at hand ; you can't. 
2. Line breeding on Grim was at first believed to be big no-no. That was prompted by fact that Ben z Bolfu had hips C. Even I used to say so until Jiri alerted me to the following fact which  is now known  for more then decade  ( not by you however)   that after Ben died autopsy was performed and it was found that Ben had perfect hips at this death.   That was and is also in correlation that  it had been proven that  breeding on Grim ( Ben's son) does not produce bad hips in any appreciable way and it is  actually way below average. It is also known that  the line breeding on Grim is actually hips improving factor. There were breeding done where Grim was on a pedigree I believe 5 x and the hips results were great. 
3. You are over consumed by hips and are actually wrong with what you are saying based on some red hearing breeding. You are destroying the breed by disseminating false information on this international forum. Yes it is a fact that we do not have 100%  hips free record, but we have better record then most.. We keep statistics and in difference from OFA we actually do get all the dogs who were x rayed with bad hips and even so we are running  only  2%-8% of HD. ( which is average about 5%)  in comparison to OFAs about 20%.
4.  You saying that you want to leave "out workability" from  this forum is just pointing to your concerns as a novice breeder.  
FYI. breeding is like a chess game. Only a novice like your self plays only with one move ahead on her mind. We are planning breeding 2-6  or more generations  ahead. You always must eliminate only one problem at a time but you must always breed with the big picture in mind. Thus eliminating Grim or Furo for what ever reason from the breeding program would be idiotic disservice to the breed. 
5. At this time I am gathering stats on Furo's and Grim's production of hips. I'll post it here as soon as I get it. 

Prager Hans
 

I would also like to add. 
If you show me how to eliminate bad hips better then we do by you doing  it better then we do  then I will listen to you. In mean time your "advice" is akin to Czech proverb where the chick is trying to teach mother hen how to scratch the ground. 
Prager Hans

@prager....let it go....there will always be people who breed hips instead of dogs......people who have read this thread should be able to glean the wheat from the chaff....let it go!

Hans, you make a very bold claim of 2-8%...
"  we are running only 2%-8% of HD. ( which is average about 5%) "


This we gonna need proof of...

I totally disagree with your claim...

Hans, As Gustav said, let it go.

OK I will 

Hans, what you think by taking advice from Gustav and aaykay let's you off the hook...

You made a bold claim averaging 5% of hip failures whilst your earlier posts led people to believe otherwise...

Where does this 5% spring up from all of a sudden...

Who let you off the hook that you are not answering my questions. 
Everybody knows who JINOPO or AlpineK9 is ,  our  location, our  phone number.  We am public figures., thus why don't you answer my questions.
1, your true name and address and phone number. 
2. your e mail. 
3. your website.
4. name of the dogs whose x rays you want me to evaluate. 
5. Your HD statistic on your dogs and their name. 
When you do that then I will answer your questions. Otherwise you are just another troll to be ignored. 

... you are just another troll to be ignored. 

Yes that part is definitely true !

Letter from Jiri and Hans.
Here we have official evaluation of our stud dogs whose dogs were  bred in 2010 -2011 and who had x rayed at least 5 dogs. These are official data published in Czech if February 2012
non dyslapstic dogs are 0/0, 1/1, 2/2.   For that year it is 4.375% of dysplastic dogs for JINPO. Numbers based on dogs waranteed and replaced for Alpine K9 are 2.8% in same period of 2010 - 2011.
(FYI we do not require returning of the dog for replacement. We just send another one when ever the cient is ready for one. )  

 

 

                                             0/0                 1/1             2/2               3/3                4/4

Totoal amont of dogs in
CZ                                    Negat          DKK I. st    DKK II. St    DKK III. St   DKK IV.st

3963                                3011               533             312                66                   41

                                          75,9%           13,45%     7,8 %             1,67%           1,03%

 

MAMBO z PS

34                                      29                  1                  3                      1                     -

                                          85,2%           2,9%           8,8%              2,9%               O%

 

NAVAR Hronovsky pramen

17                                      17                   -                  -                       -                        -

                                        100%

CHARIK galan Nalag

35                                      30                  4                  1                      -                         -

                                        85,7%            11,4%         2,8%

OX z Jirkova dvora      

25                                       23                  1                  1                     -                          -

                                        92%                  4,3%          4,3%

PANTER Aritar Bastet

34                                       30                  3                  -                      1                         -

                                        88,2%              8,8%                                   3,3%

XANT z Jirkova dvora

35                                        29                 3                   1                     2                       -

                                         82,8%             8,5%            2.8%             5,7%

ATILLA z Kociciho dvora

53                                    43                     6                    1                     3                        - 

                                         81%                11,3%           1,8%             5,6%

CARLI Policia Slovakia

20                                     17                    2                    1                     -                        -

                                          85%               10%               5%    

CHARI z Esagilu

31                                     30                    -                     1

                                          96,7%                                    3,3%        

 

 

 We would like to mention that the results of our studs are way above Czech or even world average.    

4 out of 9 studs are are containing blood from Grim z Pohranicni straze. in male or female line. Their results are excellent.  

 

We would also like to mention that we believe that expression of HD genes is influenced by environmental factors like food, sunshine, exercise weight of the dog and so on.  

Please believe that if we are using some linebreeding  same as in all breeding we are always considering all pro and cons. Our success is not just on the paper but especially in the practical breeding. Which is obvious from line of successful customers all over the world. 

 

 We are selling every year 250-300 pups for JINOPO and 100- 150 for AlpineK9 . For reasons of HD ( hip dysplasia) we replace 4 -10 pup for JINOPO and  2-8 pups for AlpineK9 in last 5 years.  

 
Further more we are conducting our research, breeding and warranty at our cost and nobody is donating us even one $. We will replace dog for free based on  a problem based on our warranty and standard of GSD. 

We would be glad if people who are trying to discredit our breeding  effort would stop being anonymous and would  write here their name address and telephone number and their breeding statistics and that way they could act as legitimate people who then would have the right to critique us. To be here as Mr or Mrs X . Y. is very simple but it is also pointing to  their weakness and cowardice. 

We would also like to thank to all friends who have our dogs and we sincerely hope that in future there will be more of them. We are welcoming anybody who would like to own or has interest in "real working" GSD, with great personality, strong nerves , so called clear head, proper type, strong pigmentation and strong health.

 
We do not condone breeding of dogs with excessive or extreme temperament , weak bone structure which are similar to other breeds. 

 

To all honest breeders all over the world we wish a lot of health and happiness in year 2013 and further we wish them a lot of happy times with their dogs. 

 

 

 

   For   JINOPO , Jiri Novotny
   For AlpineK9 , Zdenek  "Hans" Blabla