Breed Improvement Suggestions for the UK GSD Breed Council - Page 42

Reason, good post.

Wildmoor

A point but the last BH test i witnessed we had GSD, American Bulldog, Rottweiler and Maliois all in the test, the B H properly trained for is fine and within part B the judge uses his interpretation of the min requirments to find the mental abilities of the dog, its not perfect and i am sure a few sneak through but over the years i have seen quite a few fail, the point to it is that the dog has been trained so in effect its drives and socialabilty have been tested which is a lot better then the majority of breeders do at the moment in the UK

REASON, I never once said that herding was the way to go,i can see how that would not be possible for all. We have quite a few farmers here that use the gsd on the farms and the ones that do not are not aghast,as they have seen how able the gsds are.It can at times cause a bit of heated banter with the die hard Border users.Iwas mearly trying to point out there are other options for gsd owners.You seem to be very good at what you do,and so am i,well my husband is.He's the one that does it all,assessing puppies from weaning,it is a long process to get the right puppy.As i have said many times i am more concerned about ill health,have you ever had a dog with a debilateing condition like EPI,SIBO,IBD,it is horrible to see.And now we have JRD,what next before breeders take notice,it is the saddest thing to listen to or watch an owner of a beloved pet break thier hearts when illness strikes.I would hope we can agree on that at least,thier is just to many breeders hiding the truth and i am sorry that is wrong.Here is a suggestion lets leave it for another ten years,and these "conditions" might go away or they just might be rife.Let us not forget the majority of puppies go to pet homes,these people that buy puppies in good faith do not deserve this,or the cost of treatment,as this can be very very expensive. liz

Liz

In the post 15.09 you clearly state your dogs work cattle fine the nearest test is HGH

Regarding the health PLEASE refer to my previous rantings health in ALL forms is of equal importance but we are reaching a crisis in our breed at the moment, that the majority of breeders are show breeders most of which have no interest or regard for breeder the correct temperament of GSD, the breed is a working breed police forces home deterents , yours work for a living ,and i applaud you but do you want the breed to degenerate to a show, lazy circle running moron because i dont,

I see these dogs week in and week out at the working clubs pet dogs turn up show line bred and show their pedigrees show them food or a ball or god forbid a dumbell and all they want to do is jump up against their owners for reassurance they are not GSD but the pedigree says they are, and they will probably live to a rip[e odl age unless they are in a very small percentage the become beset with a health issue

All i am trying to do here is get the breeder to acknowlegde and TEST the mental health alongside the physical

REASON, i do not quite get the first line of your post i.e. cattle. No i do not wish to see gsds degenerate into what you describe, and temperament is of the utmost importance to me.Since i have not been involved in the show scene for several years,i did not know temps. were so bad.But your last statement about the percentage of ill health being small i am not so sure about,as i have said before 1 ill dog is 1 to many for me. I do hope you achieve what you are aiming for we will just have to agree to disagree as to what we both think is important,not that i am saying your issues are not ,we just have different views. liz

Hi Liz

once again correct.We have a friend who has a GSD for a gundog, and very good at the job he is too! Yes a very versitile breed.

As for SCHH try getting a club to let a breed dog in let alone take it seriously.And i am sorry if i am going on a negative vibe here again but these so called evaluations on courage, does that include the really hard dogs that turn on their hadlers!!!

Seen it happen, I suppose we are fortunate to have been taken seriosly having friends that do work their dogs and a couple of ours have excelled at it, having said that it is not for us and i dont think that is is the  way to go for most GSD breeders, and as for dumbells, we have a 12 week old puppy(german sowline by the way) that carries one everywhere and wont let it go) Its ok breeding these full on dogs but pet owners dont want that and i dont blame them. Although i am quite sure our puppy would work,we would not put it through the mental stress required.Pinch collars are not the way for us.We actually think a bit more about our dogs than that,they are first and foremost pets!!!!

 What most people want at the end of the day is a well balanced nice looking HEALTHY dog, and i could not agree more that if breeders were to share health problems then the GSD as a breed would be much better dog for it.

P

Listen, if you want  a working dog and that is what you you do i have the greatest admiration  for you, but dont tell me that every club will take on a showline dog because they look down their nose at them,AS YOU HAVE JUST DONE IN YOUR STATEMENT.

Dont tell me to get off my arse and train a dog!! if you had bothered to read my post you would have seen we have done quite a lot with more than one of our dogs. We know exactly what bite work is about.The sleeve is the reward,we have been there and one of our males loves it(the pressure is put on later) we know that too

The high drives for working and i do nor care what you say are not suitable for the general pet market.They have all on coping with a German Showline dog let alone a working one

The issue here is supposed to be about improving the GSD and if we cannot start with basic health then we have nothing

D

I have no insicurities on our dogs what so ever, all our dogs are healthy well balanced animals that would fit into most situations,We prefer our puppies to go int pet homes where there is no pressure and they will live a happy life( you tell me what is so wrong with that ?) Never have we ever bred a quivering wreck.(NEVER) but the general public are who buys most of the puppies. We have absolutely no insecurities about our dogs and if you feel that threatened by  my  coments then why should you.We all have the right to voce our oppinion, i have never once slated you i said i have the greatest respect for working people if that is the way they want to go i) have only given my oppinion  on what i think would help the breed, and that is neither working qualifications or CC's but HEALTH AND TEMPERAMENT and i truly beleive breedrs need to be more honest where health issues are concerned