All this attempted defamation of a good person's reputation because he has an opinion based on his years on the breed? What's this really all about?

Gustav, I hope you continue to offer your take on these threads.  

Thanks Blitzen, I will but very selectively....lol.....many threads I read these days I don't bother, it's just not worth it. I am not judgemental of people's ways or motives, I am judgemental against absolutionist.....who think their way is the only way whether it is training or breeding.....Positive only training is fine as long as you don't insist this is the "only" way to others....you have arseholes like that. The same with the breed and the same with hips. There is a current level of competence in hip production, if you can consistently produce that without compromising the essentials of the breed...than who am I to say you are doing it wrong?  Actually, the many people of immense wisdom I have met over the years are seldom rigid on things but understand the complexity of this breed requiring immense knowledge. However, today we live in a culture that hpeople arm themself with an Internet, a couple of books, acquire a couple dogs, and presto they are experts....or people stay in a little sheltered niche of the breed for thirty years and absorb all the nuances of that world with little understanding of the breed in its versatility. Scandalous !  Today wisdom and knowledge has fallen behind Internet ( with the videos, chat rooms andforums) in providing cyberspace experts in the breed....and you can always tell them by their comments. I think there is a place for all of this in learning the breed, but their can be no substitute for training, raising, breeding, as necessary requisites along with the Internet, books, etc. it takes a broad perspective to grasp the understanding of breeding, training, or even hips for which this thread is about. That's my closing argument and I will finally take the advice of my friend, Judron and get out of this thread...take care!

I think Carol King said it best, Gustav - you can't talk to a man with a shotgun in his hand  or when he don't want to understand. . I love that woman.

J Basler- are you kidding? It's rather insulting ,to me, that you come here and expect someone to"layout your credentials" so you can know the truths, really.
You, as well as myself are fortunate to get the opinions and expertise of some of the "actual" knowledgable posters that post here.
There's much more to learn, than you can ever read about.
This has been an informative thread, despite it being started for contrary reasons.

Gustav I do not blame you for leaving this thread! Turning into a joke although many of you knowledgable GSD owners/Breeders have put some great input on this thread learning a lot. Please keep posting Gustav I am stealing what ever I can to learn more about this great breed (GSD) Some of us newbies do really want to learn and this is one of the resources without all the drama. Thanks to all those that do not mind sharing their knowledge keep it up. Good breeders IMO are not only producing quality puppies but also teaching others about this great dog breed. I would have no problem getting a puppy from people like Gustav and Hans knowledge goes a long ways much more than paper ever will. I have come to understand that good - excellent puppies is much more that certification

Hexe I posted the references. 
Johan77 and Guddu. I say it one more time . The data are which you are posting are  from dogs submitted for evaluation by their owners. It is not blind study where the results are not known before the dog is evaluated. 

MOST PEOPLE DO NOT SEND BAD HIPS FOR EVALUATION.

  Thus such numbers  are TOTALLY useless for statistical purposes. It is an ongoing battle to get statistics which would include ALL dogs and not just dogs submitted by owners  who will not send in bad hips. 

Also Johan77 nowhere in the article posted by you have I found references to the percentages of HD in GSD in Sweden 25% or in Germany 35%.  Can you point me to those numbers there? 

Minicus. Thanks for your kind words and you are welcomed. 
Prager Hans

Hexe here one more time :
The study which indicates 67% of HD
McDonald M. Osteochondritis dissecants of the femoral head: a case report. J SmallAnim Pract 1988: 29:49-53
 
 53% HD out of 696 GSdogs:
  The Switzerland study from Data publisher by Flucker, Schweitzer Hundemagazine 1/98 and the SV Zeitung. 



You are welcomed.  
Hans

Hans, bad x-rays are also sent here because the clicnics/veterinarys that takes the x-rays are not supposed to say anything about the results and they are not qualified/educated either to do so, their opinion is also not worth much because it´s only the results that the experts on the kennel club decides that´s is going to be the official result. You can´t breed on a dog just because a random veterinary says his hips are OK. The statistics is from the x-rayed dogs in sweden, recorded by the kennel club. The german numbers are from a health study about the breed here, they listed those numbers and gave reference to the lenghty article I posted previously. It´s not surprising if the german have higer HD, they have less restrictions and they don´t x-ray in the same amount. However the swedish health study also had statistics so high as 45-60%, but this was late 50s and early 60s when people started to be aware of HD, not so many dogs x-rayed in those times either, but the problem decreased rather quickly when breeders started to pay attention to it. As a sidenote the military/state owned kennel of GSDs had much problems with HD in the 70s, but they managed by selective breeding in a few generations go from over 40% HD to under 10% in their population of GSDs.

Johan77. I did not see those numbers in that article thopugh. 
Anyway I am fully aware that Sweden ( as a country) has probably the best program for elimination of HD in their country. I have read somewhere that they re-x- ray dogs at 5 years? Is that still truth? 
To improve hips to less then 5% of HD is possible
Next. 
You say :
, bad x-rays are also sent here because the clicnics/veterinarys that takes the x-rays are not supposed to say anything about the results and they are not qualified/educated either to do so, their opinion is also not worth much because it´s only the results that the experts on the kennel club decides that´s is going to be the official results.
 However in order for it to work the Swedes would have to be 100% honest. I have heard that some countries do this and  I do understand that in Sweden when you make official request for x ray for evaluation that you do not see the x rays ,.. But are you also telling me that there are no unofficial x rays done or preliminary x rays done or diagnostic hip  x rays done?