Hip Dysplasia and more - Page 4

Joan, thanks for your detailed answers! I apologize if you thought I was saying you had agreed 100 percent with Jenni on this, as that was not my understanding or what I wanted to convey.

On a different note, plenty of young GSD's have been known just on this board needing femoral head removals. I would venture that as all life develops on a continuum, that the why has to do with genetics, and the instructions informing the coding of cells.

Bee, how about these hips? It's cartilage at birth, and if everything is allowed to stay in alignment during growth period, all will b e good. Bone doesnt develop from cartilage if proper pressure isnt there to stimulate bone growth.

 

Beetree, per your above post....how many of those dogs spent their first several weeks of life in a kiddy pool for a whelping area?

I have seen litters on slick tile floors, results were high % HD. I have known of many litters born and raised for weeks in kiddy pool, results were high % HD. Plus, look at the parents physical traits and the affected dogs' traits.

I don't think anyone knows the complete answer... yet. One has to flip the converse situation and also ask why ALL pups raised in a kiddee pool don't become dysplastic to know that puzzle pieces are still missing. Just as why did only Chrissy's pup have atrocious hips when the siblings did not? Not that opening that can of worms is my desire, just what popped first in my mind as an example.

And how do we know that all the pups in kiddy pool aren't affected with hd being that majority of pups sold are not ever exrayed unless obvious lameness prompts exrays ?

As for the other point in your post, sending you a PM.

Breeding the dog's to close and not completely checking for hip and elbow displacement in the line might have something to do with the problem

Joy's first litter, pups raised in kiddie pool, of the 2 puppies, one prelimed as good, the other as excellent, both with normal elbows.

Were they on the slick surface, or did they have something they could get traction on? How long did they stay in the pool after birth? What would the % be of two exrayed no HD compared to the possibly thousands of pups whelped in kiddy pools?

There can always be exceptions, like people overfeeding litter till obese from birth onward and have a pup exray non-dysplastic....

https://books.google.com/books?id=77VRX7b6rzcC&pg=PA211&lpg=PA211&dq=%22selenium+deficiency%22+in+dogs+disorders&source=bl&ots=K8Me1LF0ci&sig=wndQ6kptN9548fBUifj7Ddk-AZo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs0qmBsc_VAhUHJCYKHZ0YCFI4FBDoAQhHMAc#v=onepage&q=%22selenium%20deficiency%22%20in%20dogs%20disorders&f=false

Very interesting stuff about E-Selenium deficiencies.

It can cause a whole bunch of issues, dog kibble has the minimum amount required, so if someone feeds 50/50 raw and kibble, the dog may have deficiencies that can cause a myriad of health problems. Also people add Omega 3 fats to a dog's kibble, the efficacy of Vitamin E is substantially reduced, which also leads to health issues. Raw feeders may strongly consider feeding an ingredient high in E, as meat typically doesn't have enough to meet minimum requirements.

Throwing a dog a few chicken backs and quarters is not the diet a dog can live on long term, it especially affects puppy growth and development, . In 20 litters, 2 of my puppies dropped dead, both were on imbalanced raw diet. Lack of E-Selenium can cause heart arrhythmia, I still wonder if the diet caused this. Adding some liver, plant based oil, and boiled green vegetable, and potato with water used in processing can go a very long way in balancing a diet.

Sita'smom, can you post the ped of your excellent prelim litter? Would be educational to follow the history.

All the stuff about diet and selenium is irrelevant. Has nothing to do with HD in the gsd as a breed.
I feed kibble, and out of probably 70 of my progeny exrayed in a decade and a half, I've had only one dog with HD.