What exact this colour is....? - Page 4

Thank u friends for u r interest and suggestions...I just went thru the pedi tree...Then I found Vegas and also found the Vegas forefathers...One silver colour dog in tree...May be it should have come out of it...I mean my pup's grandfather....Bandit feedback...Vegas in it...My question is how will it turn out...Will the size structure and head will be same or will it be like mom and dad...As I am from India... Heard that German top soil plays role in the quality...Even though I am from a cold hill station..Raining most of the time....The link which I found in. Vagas pedi long may be more than 7 generations back is as follows...1). V1 Freia vom Steinbockfelsen .....2)V3 Arras von der Grüber-Hölle ...3)Chlodo vom Schloß Dahlhausen SchH3...4)V4 Klodo aus der Eremitenklause SCHH3...

What I see in the second video Bee, is a picture of a pup with black pigment next to a face, followed by a photo from a different angle of the dog in sunlight, making the dog "shiny" but not blue. I honestly do not see blue anywhere.

And show me a picture of a few day old GSD anywhere with a saddle. Saddles don't form 'til later. They're mostly black for awhile.

I don't think the admins corrected the "Bandit Feetback" and "Bandito Feetback" duplicate pedigree, even though an admin posted after me.

Dawulf, the problem is the nose leather isn't black. One does not have both blue and black on the same dog. Therefore, the "black" pigment next to the face is most likely still a dilution of black, despite its darkness as it presents in a singleton, presented photo.

I agree about the saddle formation on a showline appearing mostly black as far as the patterning question relating to what this pup might become.

Except for what is seen in the second video, the tan hairs are noticeable and more or less evenly distributed on the body, more in keeping with a sable. That is the "unusual" part when one tries to reconcile what is being seen on the puppy coat with what is being seen in the pedigree. Saddles generally recede from what is seen at birth, Sables will usually add to their darkness from what is seen at birth. At least that is what I have noticed.

OP, the topsoil quality question is news to me. I can imagine climate would have an affect of the quality and thickness of an undercoat, and it has been noted that carotene consumption will add to the redness of the tan parts, and some dogs will get "snow nose" in the winter months, but to lose black pigment so that it changes into something silvery, well, I can't see how soil would change the genetics of black to the point of being noticeably lighter like a silver color. Certainly it will not change a black colored dog into dilute (blue) dog, either.

Will the pup turn out something like this...A bit curious.....!

Will the pup turn out something like this...A bit curious.....!

Only if the genetics are there for a red sable and he truly is not a genetic dilute for the black pigment. From what is seen in your pedigree, the probability is slim. However, the sable question still is not satisfactorily answered because of the lack of information (picture) in the immediate pedigree of the dam. There is a chance that a patterned sable dog could incorrectly be called a black and tan patterned dog. That is what Jenni is wondering about, most likely, and would be the only explanation if your pup is actually a sable and the parentage is 100% certain as given.

I don't know how anyone can tell in either video what color the nose leather was. Didn't look strange to me, honestly.

Sables mature and revert back to what they were at birth. Dark sables are born virtually black, only giveaway is if you look under the hair in good light or lift the tail.

Ootyvijay, without the exact pedigree we can't guess. Please show CLEAR photos of both parents. And, also, we still need to see clear photos in natural light, not the glare of the sun, of the pup from all angles, and with hair pushed backward. Also lift tail and photograph feet. Until we get a better look, we can't really do more than guess about anything in terms of how this pup will turn out. Until you show us what the puppy IS, we can't guess how he WILL be as an adult.