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by Prager on 10 May 2016 - 00:05
Certain type of dog? Yes OP's dog is food aggressive which is a picture of dominant dog. I think that is what we are talking about here.
by beetree on 10 May 2016 - 00:05
I think the OP is the only one who can make that call. There is a history before her ownership that WE don't know.
It really is resource guarding, that you see manifesting as food aggressive. The first makes it easier to understand for a solution, the second makes it a battle of wills.
Bonding ...how to do it best with those parameters!

by Prager on 10 May 2016 - 01:05
Ask thousand people and then make up your mind.:)
Chinese proverb.
by beetree on 10 May 2016 - 01:05
by joanro on 10 May 2016 - 01:05
Good luck with your dog.

by kitkat3478 on 10 May 2016 - 02:05
I know I have had some comprehension errors in the past,lol
My point was o ly that having multiple dogs eating at the same time should not cause gulping or issues about food.
I may be wrong, but i really think dogs that have that problem, have been shorted on food somewhere along the line.
I mean I don t go arou d testing my dogs while eating. I usually wouldn t bother them at all. They deserve to eat in peace.
I know if i thought someone was gonna short change me when I was hungry, chances are good, I would get pissed.
by joanro on 10 May 2016 - 02:05
All my dogs gulp their food....they have high drive and are eager to eat. So they slam it back / wolf their food / gulp ...with relish :-)

by Hundmutter on 10 May 2016 - 06:05
Yeah, I'm with Joan on that one KitKat. Lots of the dogs I
had in the Farm pack - having been bred on site and NEVER
stinted for any bodily desire - still 'wolfed' their food. While,
equally, relatives of theirs did not. And some of the Rescue
or bought-in dogs added to that pack did scoff fast, and equally
others did not. Practise varied on them being fed singly, or
together in bunches, and that did not appear to make any
difference. The gulpers still gulped - maybe a little more when
there were other dogs eating near them, maybe not - and the
thoughtful steady eaters (of which there were admittedly
not very many, LOL) continued to eat more slowly.
To my mind, 'resourse guarding' and 'food aggression'
can equal much the same thing. If a dog has food in its
bowl and is given to growling or snapping at anything or
anybody who comes within touching distance, that is food
aggression which is based in resource guarding. There
may be other contributory causes than merely the 'threat'
to the food (of it being taken away while the dog still wants
it) or it may be the dog's attitude to simple proximity.

by Hundmutter on 10 May 2016 - 06:05
Hans: "Using only half the principles and villifying
the other half is irresponsible ..."
Me: Yes Hans that was exactly what you started
out doing ^^^.
You jumped on the examples being used with the
OP's dog, and said she ought to have been establishing
leadership. I agreed with you about the need for
leadership to be established but pointed out that the
methods the OP had CHOSEN to go with (even though
not working out for her) [and which you were immediately
slagging off, as you always do], were what
needed resolving, meaning in the short term, and
she would probably be comfortable with. All else
was extraneous until we got that bit sorted.
As for me proving 'your' point with the question about early
people and dogs/wolves, actually it's quite the opposite. Of
course the early hominids did not have words for what they
did - or not as we know them today - but there is no doubt
in my mind that the FIRST "tools out of the box" - indeed the
ONLY ones that would have worked for those first 'taming'
encounters - were 'positive' ones, i.e. "softly, softly catchee
monkey canine." What negative reinforcement would solve
running off & not returning ?

by Hundmutter on 10 May 2016 - 07:05
extensive knowledge of various forms of marker training -
so far so good - but could not find any reference to you
even having talked to practitioners or read something on the
MODERN DEVELOPMENT of Clicker Training; to the people
doing this nowadays for service & disability dogs of various
kinds, Pryor is more or less ancient history, often regarded as
something of a joke; they have come a long way. Yes there
is a basic principle, but the 'why & how & when' of how that
is applied has changed over time. For the basic marker / timing
stuff, I agree with you, to the extent I almost never used it - not
because I claim it is a bad method, or causes problems, but
just 'cos my timing, experience, etc is such that I don't need
to. No objection to others using it to improve on their advantage
though ! We are none of us too old to learn. Some of us are
more willing to consider developments in the tool set than
others, though.
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