Would you have bred these dogs? - Page 4

It's like a dog, negative attention is better than no attention Harley. I have just had enough too. I mean these people are hurt by the dogs death no doubt and talk about kicking a person when they are down. It's just rude and heartless.

hey 4pack, sure is. if she was talking about my dog that i just put down, i would be on a plane down to visit her. but you are 100% right. being that all she has are her dogs, she is starting to act like them. she's going to piss off the wrong person on here one day who isn't aware of her mental illness,or doesn't care and she's going to get hurt..... and no brittany i'm not threating you. people in New York don't make threats FYI i apologize to everyone, but she has started with me at the wrong time.

Today, February 2, 2007 is full moon. Jeck was one dog. What about the production record of other NZ's?

Blitzen, Don't ask a reasonable question and expect the overwhelming majority of this crowd to have any clue or, for that matter, any interest in participating in a discussion that is reasoned, well-researched and polite........ There is a listserve that does have reasoned, well-researched and polite discussions because people are required to sign their names. Posts that are blatantly rude, excessively profane or simply being used to bait or harass someone get the writer unsubscribed in a heart beat. best regards!

Blitzen, I do not know off hand how the average nz produces, although the data suggest that the difference between the production of nz and fast normal is statistically irrelevant. The greater difference seems to be between normal and fast normal, although it is also rather small (3-5 percentage points). I personally avoid nz breedings, but do recognize that many use them with various results. While a 5 point improvement is always a good idea,there are clearly other factors that make a greater contribution to the hip status of offspring. Best Wishes, Jonah

i have a valid question. my dogs sire's hips are fast normal. dam of my dog is good. didn't have my dogs hips done yet, but she shows no signs of any problems (i know, some dogs don't) now i was looking at an absolutely gorgeous male, to maybe breed her to. his hips a fast normal. what's anyone's opinion? would they take the chance? or try to look for ofa good only

Harley, As previously stated there is far more to hip production than parental status. While I prefer normal X normal breedings, ZW scores are probably the most acurate. ZW scores are easily looked up for any dog with an a-stamp on the SV site. Shoot for nscores in the low 70's. There are many good studs with low scores. Best Wishes, Jonah

Brittany, Didn't you once recommend the kennel you got Jake from to someone?And in that recommendation you gave a clear reference of a dog that your friend purchased from this kennel that developed both HD and ED, didn't you?? You refered to this dog as a "PISTOL", correct?? Just in case you want to deny it, everyone can read it at http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/52288.html#52359 I strongly beleive that people who compulsively criticize and judge others do so out of fear that they themselves will suffer the same fate.Why noy say something nice for a change?Why not ask a question instead of biting people's head off and pretending you know the answer.This is a nice place to be Brittany, but you are slowly becoming unwelcomed by everyone here.

One of the best bitches I have ever owned(30 plus years) was linebred 3-3 on the B litter Cega. This litter had six dogs that went sch3/IPO3 and breed surveyed.The only litter with more was the V litter Blitzard, which had seven. Baringa and Bob were great producers, Boi and a brother from Spain were national competitors(WUSV for the spanish brother)and I think Bagheera was Zvv3(one of the bitches was). My point is the father of this litter was Grischa Swharzen Milan who was NZ. Now I seriously doubt that any of you who would NEVER bred a NZ dog have ever produced a litter of this magnitude. And thank god the breeder of this litter did breed Grischa. Not condoning bad hips or promoting NZ, just making the point that people who think that excluding great dogs because of NZ hips, don't know as much about successful breeding of hips as they want people to believe. Knowledge of siblings/and 2 to 3 generations of parents is much more indicative of success in hips than a dog being NZ.JMO

When I had originally asked the question...what you all had thought about the hips on those dogs, I would have never immagined that it would turn into such a heated arguement between some people. I am very disappointed with some of the attitudes towards each other on this site. Like Max von Stephanitz said" german shepherd dog breeding is working dog breeding". How can breeding two dogs together that are displastice be good for the breed? I LOVE this breed, if I didnt I wouldnt be in it. Now can we all set our bitter attitudes aside and look at the future.