'Dog Whisperer' disciple denied Stokenchurch dog adoption - Page 4

My point cloaked in sarcasm was zoo keepers have their place as do vets..and its not as dog behaviorists or trainers.

So, are you saying a zoo keeper who works with wolves, for example, is not going to be able to apply what they know to dogs? Part of a zoo keeper's job is to know what their animals' normal behaviour and body language are, so they can assess their health and well-being. If you've watched that show, you will know they are far, far more that poop shovelers and food givers.

Lets just call steve1 & YogieBear out for what they are, vehement anti-intellectuals.  NO ONE here said there was anything wrong with traditional training methods, not grounded in science.  EVERYONE HERE, knows this kind of old school training works, but the "tool box" is significantly bigger for trainers TODAY, than it was 65 years ago.  All some of us did was EXPLAIN what operant and classical conditioning were.  Then folks like steve1 & YogieBear went off on a tangent claiming it all to be a "bunch of hooey".  These guys have some serious reading comprehension skills and I would be terrified if either theses guys worked for me in any capacity that required such a skill.  steve1 & YogieBear should consider themselves VERY LUCKY that those whom have employed either of them, haven't found this HUGE deficiency in their day-today jobs skills.  I'm sure its already cost someone employing them hourly wages paid, a project, a contract or all three for that matter.   

But back to topic, I would cite Auburn Universities Vapor Wake training and breeding program as the perfect example of an APPLIED animal behavior program run by a UNIVERSITY, providing WORKING dogs to the Law Enforcement and the Military, showing measurable RESULTS.  This program employees many types of people in this program, INCLUDING non-degreed animal trainers.  They are in effect using the whole "tool box", from people with doctorates, down to folks who honed their skills in war zones.  Lackland AFB breeding and training program being another example of "egg heads", "pro trainers" and "instinctual animal behaviorist" working together to produce something beneficial in the dog world, within a scientifically measurable program.  THESE KINDS OF PROGRAMS EXIST AND ARE MEASURABLY SUCCESSFUL, WHETHER steve1 & YogieBear WANT TO BELIEVE OR NOT.  The more comments they make, the deeper they dig their holes, showing nothing but PURE, unadulterated, ignorance of the world that has evolved around them.  Were looking at two modern day, real life Rip Van Winkle's here.

AND NO these programs don't use all positive-only, cookie training.  But Operant Conditioning is certainly PRESENT in these programs.

BTW steve1, the University of Gent has been pretty active in canine behavior research, go pay them a visit, hopefully you'll learn something, IF, you can muster up enough humility to then go eat some "humble pie".  But since I suspect you are a big time anti-intellectual, I will assume you will just fill the forum with more "hot air" and ignore the opportunity TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW.

"So, are you saying a zoo keeper who works with wolves, for example, is not going to be able to apply what they know to dogs? Part of a zoo keeper's job is to know what their animals' normal behaviour and body language are, so they can assess their health and well-being. If you've watched that show, you will know they are far, far more that poop shovelers and food givers"

WHO SAID THAT??  Just because I wouldnt go to them for dog training or behavior advice doesnt mean I denigrate their profession.  Anyways this is a pointless waste of time.  By all means look up your local zoo keeper or vet for training advice.  Ill stick with people that have been there and PROVEN themselves in the real world not just paper.  I dont give a $%%$ whether they have a degree.  The only qualification that matters to me is results.  No results, no qualifications.