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by Jenni78 on 20 February 2011 - 17:02
The word is "conscience". Just sayin'.
I like Animules' outlandish idea.
I like Animules' outlandish idea.
by SportySchGuy on 20 February 2011 - 17:02
I knew it wasnt right but I was too lazy ......just sayin.
by Prager on 20 February 2011 - 17:02
by jamesfountain98 on 20 February 2011 - 17:02
If you compare GSD pups to other imported working breeds from proven stock with health checks and gurantees they seem to be within reason( $1000-$2200.) Most of the time you can find $1000 pups bred just as good as the $2200 pups.
Working pups from other imported breeds aren't that far from the same price range.
What breeds are you comparing the GSD to when you are comparing prices?
America doesn't have any dog breeds that are the best in the world for any of the protection/police/sport work. So it seems that even the best breeders in America of the GSD have to import. I have not come across one breeder that has used %100 american working line lineage for 3 generations.
America has some of the best workiing breedings stock in the world for hunting dogs (coon dogs, beagles,etc), retrievers (labs, golden,etc), hog dogs (pits, american bulldogs,)
Until American Breeders establish themselves strong enough withouth having to import than the GSD and other breeds will always be expensive
Working pups from other imported breeds aren't that far from the same price range.
What breeds are you comparing the GSD to when you are comparing prices?
America doesn't have any dog breeds that are the best in the world for any of the protection/police/sport work. So it seems that even the best breeders in America of the GSD have to import. I have not come across one breeder that has used %100 american working line lineage for 3 generations.
America has some of the best workiing breedings stock in the world for hunting dogs (coon dogs, beagles,etc), retrievers (labs, golden,etc), hog dogs (pits, american bulldogs,)
Until American Breeders establish themselves strong enough withouth having to import than the GSD and other breeds will always be expensive
by jamesfountain98 on 20 February 2011 - 18:02
Belay everything I just said, Part of the reason GSD cost so much is because people are paying $100,000 for kennel/breeding facilities. The more people over invest in the dogs the more they will cost. Example petsmart doggie beds vs hay. Temp control buildings instead of barnes.
Not talking about people who keep a small number of dogs in their houses, but these facilities of 20 dogs and more.
I believe Americans over invest in their dogs. This is part of the reason why pet supply products cost so much more than livestock/farming products.
Buy a 30' lead from a pet store vs feed store and see which one is of better quality and cost less.
Not talking about people who keep a small number of dogs in their houses, but these facilities of 20 dogs and more.
I believe Americans over invest in their dogs. This is part of the reason why pet supply products cost so much more than livestock/farming products.
Buy a 30' lead from a pet store vs feed store and see which one is of better quality and cost less.
by Jenni78 on 20 February 2011 - 19:02
James, you make some good points.
I will always find it ironic though when people who won't bother to do what I and many others did (spend big money on GOOD quality breeding stock) have the nerve to complain about prices since they're not the ones spending the money. They are most typically the people who haggle about a $1500-2000 puppy that they fully expect to mature out to breeding stock so they can make their $2000 back. <sigh>
I will always find it ironic though when people who won't bother to do what I and many others did (spend big money on GOOD quality breeding stock) have the nerve to complain about prices since they're not the ones spending the money. They are most typically the people who haggle about a $1500-2000 puppy that they fully expect to mature out to breeding stock so they can make their $2000 back. <sigh>
by GSDPACK on 20 February 2011 - 19:02
If a breeder has a good reputation, is knowlegable, understands the breed in and out, understands the dogs he/she breeds, keeps dogs back to learn what they produced and deliver exactly what they said they would.. who cares about the price. A knowlegable buyer will recognize a good breeding, if it is a breeding from people who have delivered top dogs over and over... yes it will be priced higher. If somebody has to have a high price to feel like they bought a quality, let them pay for it if it makes them happy.
it doesnt matter or does it?
it doesnt matter or does it?
by beetree on 20 February 2011 - 19:02
Steve1, since it is your Izzy on the chopping block, and not anybody else's Izzy, the price just jumped.
Anybody else's Izzy will be worth less money, is all I can say.
Provenance will prevail.
Anybody else's Izzy will be worth less money, is all I can say.
Provenance will prevail.
by jamesfountain98 on 20 February 2011 - 20:02
You all so have to look at the breeder. Many breeders pay someone else to campaign or title their dogs. I have mixed feelings about that. But when you buy from a breeder that doesn't train their own dogs you are paying for that coverage as well.
$2000 is a sacrifice for a Middle class family to spend on a hobby (not including the amount of time spent training) Takes an understanding spouse. When I purchased my puppy I made sure I found a puppy from sound genetics but not to spend more than what I was willing to walkaway from. Because there can be a flaw in the best of litters.
many people try to spend the most money they can afford on GSD. That amount is normally not more than a puppy price. If you save a little more you often will get better deals (not cheaper) on a green dog.
My next GSD purchase will be a green dog. I think you save money in the long term.
Also I have found that if you participate in a working venue on a regular basis before you buy a puppy you might get offered a pretty good puppy for cheap or even free. Many good breeders want to keep more puppies than they can afford or have space for
$2000 is a sacrifice for a Middle class family to spend on a hobby (not including the amount of time spent training) Takes an understanding spouse. When I purchased my puppy I made sure I found a puppy from sound genetics but not to spend more than what I was willing to walkaway from. Because there can be a flaw in the best of litters.
many people try to spend the most money they can afford on GSD. That amount is normally not more than a puppy price. If you save a little more you often will get better deals (not cheaper) on a green dog.
My next GSD purchase will be a green dog. I think you save money in the long term.
Also I have found that if you participate in a working venue on a regular basis before you buy a puppy you might get offered a pretty good puppy for cheap or even free. Many good breeders want to keep more puppies than they can afford or have space for
by Rik on 20 February 2011 - 20:02
steve, I don't want to put a price on your dog. I would be interested in what you would expect to pay for a dog of comparable quality in Europe.
Rik
Rik
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