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by Phil Behun on 11 June 2010 - 00:06

Easy Lucy, Charlie Brown wants his dog back. Maggie, were you there? Were you at the event? Were you at the awards ceremony where Gus Elfar had his problem on the podium? Were you in Gadsden at the obedience field to witness the dismissal of the aggressive dog? Please, since you were, why don't you enlighten the working dog world with how you would handle a dog biting his handler/owner at a National Championship "Open to the Public" event in this day and age where we are in danger of drastic changes to our sport? Did you witness the protection at this year's WDA National where Herr Heiko Grube dismissed a dog during the C (that's the protection phase for you) phase for pinching the helper in the chest after the out from the escape exercise? Biting the HELPER anywhere other than the sleeve was the reason. That's the HELPER, you know the guy who represents the "bad guy" and is supposed to get bitten? If biting the HELPER on his protective equipment in a violent situation is subject to disqualification, how is biting your handler/owner in a social situation not offensive?

by MaggieMae on 11 June 2010 - 00:06

Hey Phil - No, I was not at ANY of those events. Yes, I believe that there will be drastic changes coming regarding the GSD, and I believe that Schutzhund will be the downfall.

But, we are talking about the 2010 SS. The Thread is now on page 20 -- most of the Thread has been devoted to Bashing, which is so typical from a "certain subspecies" on this Forum.

by Mystere on 11 June 2010 - 00:06

quote: "Mystere, That's what I'm talking about. Its not the norm....
OGBS, I take the BS is for the BS you write. "

And that is precisely the point: You must train for what is "not the norm," because it is out there, too! :-) That may mean training for the bitch in season, rain during the trial, if that it not "the norm" for your area (only those of us in the PNW regularly train and trial in the rain--no choice

), heat, altitude (seems to bother the humans more than the dogs ), etc.     You would be surprised how many newbies show up at a trial with a bitch just going into or coming out of season.   Then, you have the miscreants who do purposely bring in a bitch "in full-blown" that their dog may be used to working around, but the others are not. It's called "unsportsmanlike conduct."

I was at the 2002 OB incident Phil references and can corroborate Phil's statement about it fully.    Such incidents are not as uncommon as most would like, and are also "not the norm."   But, you had better train for it, if only, as Ivan did, by having a dog that will "religiously"   fuss, when given the command, no matter what.

I know of another excellent handler whose control of a very dog-aggressive bitch was the only reason that there were no public incidents . It was a case of  "if you didn't know, you wouldn't know" the bitch was dangerously dog-aggressive. The bitch did quite well in trials, as a result and neither judges, nor competitors/spectators had a clue about it, unless they had already been aware of her temperment issues. That was purely the result of training.

by Phil Behun on 11 June 2010 - 00:06

Has my rebuttal been anything other than topic oriented to this individual incident?

by sueincc on 11 June 2010 - 00:06

No Phil it hasn't, this is just maggs desperately trying to get someone, anyone to talk to her. She knows the only time anyone has anything to do with her anymore is when she pisses them off, and to her, negative attention is better than no attention. Notice she dragged out her tired old schutzhund remarks, if no one bites, she'll dust off her ignorant ecollar remarks next. Poor thing craves attention but is too dim to understand that if she was at least civil to people they would actually respond to her much more frequently. Oh well, her loss!

DNFTT!!!

by MaggieMae on 11 June 2010 - 00:06

Sue, give it a rest. You are one of the "yahoos" who will never accomplish anything "big" with your dog, so you complain about others instead.

Phil, it is really quite simple. You are being "goaded" into filing a complaint. A "certain" individual also did the same thing with another last year -- prodding and urging him file. Don't be USED !

by wrestleman on 11 June 2010 - 00:06

Phil and others where there and saw all this. How is telling what he saw bashing I don't understand.. Just like the liberals in our last election the truth = negative campaigning.

On here it seems the truth = bashing. I know nothing of Mittlewest , as I said the only complaint I would have is from the bitework videos I have seen on their dogs they are very poor even for show line dogs....The dye jobs I have no idea about...

by Phil Behun on 11 June 2010 - 00:06

by MaggieMae on 11 June 2010 - 01:06

I'm following this Thread just fine, thank you very much.

by Keith Grossman on 11 June 2010 - 01:06

"Yes, I believe that there will be drastic changes coming regarding the GSD, and I believe that Schutzhund will be the downfall."

Sorry to burst your bubble but schutzhund, the breed survey that requires it as a prerequisite, the AD and the absolute requirement for hip and elbow certification are the only things providing even a remote semblence of maintaining any integrity in the breed. As fallible as that system may seem to be at times, those requirements for breeding prevail over no requirements, hands down, every time.

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