Von Hunterhaus, 39 dogs seized - Page 38

The only important part for me is, that the dogs go into loving homes, I don´t care if it´s a breeder or a pet home, as long as the dogs will have a good life.
Do you have any proof about "selling" and "reselling" ? Do you KNOW that anybody paid more than the regular adoption fee?

As soon as these dogs would get sold, I´m with you, but not as long as someone just gave them a home.

Once again, what´s the big deal about these dogs? They are no stud dogs, so there is no way to make money with them.
The new owner "thinks about using Ebroh for breeding"... So what? The stud fee may be around 1000 Dollars for this male, even less, because it´s no well known male. It would be far cheaper to use an outside stud and pay for it than to keep this male for lifetime ( food, space, time, vet...).

i guess I don't, but I don't think there is any doubt that the dogs with "worth" were given to those close very quickly, while the rest???  well we know where the money lies.  I can't say I see much normal about this adoption process.  

I normally think you're fairly smart and up on things susie, but I have to say I couldn't disagree with you more on this one.  Can you see why rescue dogs aren't normally given to breeders with the intention of breeding?  Can you see why the police aren't supposed to be able to just come in and take property to then give to their friends to profit from?  adoption fee, donation, a puppy down the road, a pat on the back, it doesn't matter what they paid now does it.  

And it really doesn't matter if it's not a well known male.  THere are breeders here that haven't had a well known dog for 10 generations, no show ratings, no nothing and have 30 litters per year with puppies going for 2500 a piece.  I don't care if he makes 5 dollars or 10K dollars, breeding a dog that needed rescue is pretty unethical in my book.  If you don't think they plan on doing more with the rest of the dogs, I don't know what to say.  

There's a reason why confiscated stuff is sold at auction, if it's even allowed to be sold by the courts.  It prevents the shady deals, the corruption, I still can't believe people can't see why this isn't a good idea.  I don't really care that the dogs were taken, they should have been.  And they should have been inspected, cared for, evaluated, altered and put up for adoption like every other animal they come across.  Instead, they were taken and they skipped pretty much every normal procedure and got the dogs worth money into the hands of their friends.  I don't care how loving the home, it reeks of dishonesty, extremely unethical behavior and corruption.  They cut off adoption applications after a couple days at over 400, funny how their friends got the best don't you think?  Funny how AKC papers are already transferred.  Funny how they have planned breedings and new show ratings before this mess has even been sorted out.  You really see nothing wrong with it?  

There is a reason there are rescues. They are to take in animals that are abandoned, animals that can no longer be cared for by their owners, etc. 

I have never seen a legitimate rescue that did not spay and neuter and do a check on the potential adopters and I look at Petfinder all the time.

Rescues now are a big money business. I have seen adoption fees upwards of $500. for a mutt.

What this rescue did was get the dogs out of a bad situation and play favoritism in the ways the dogs were given out.

I thought rescues were required to spay/neuter before animals were given out.

I have several problems with what went on........
1 - most athorities first work with the owner, they give time to reduce the number of animals and also monitor to make sure the animals are clean and fed. This didn't happen!
2 - dogs which are supposed to be held until the court decision have disappeared, they are no longer at the spca facility.
3 - some dogs disappeared even before getting to the facility.
4 - puppies were seperated from their litter and their mother at 5 weeks, this is against federal laws.
5 - spca is not giving back people's dogs even with what we would thing is proof of ownership....(AKC certificate of registration, microchip verification, vet bills, and even agreements between dawn and the owners in regards to boarding).
6 - the rescue refused to let owners foster their own animals and even got restraining orders on any owners that tried to locate their animals.
7 - the court date keeps being put off.
8 - dogs have been given to breeders to be used as breeders
9 - only one dog has been returned, because they didn't want to spend money on it for proper veterinary care.

What I see is endemic of our government right now....... We are all loosing our right to have private property!
And what's even worse.........is that so few are standing up for our rights.

This isn't the only case like this......its happening across the nation, with dogs, cats, horses, cattle, and with other property also...
With land, homes, and other physical property too.........yet so few are standing up to our right to own property.

The other thing that worries me is that people are standing by the sidelines and letting our right of due process is being dystroyed too.

The responses on this and other forums terrify me.

THAT is the point..These dogs and this entire situation was handled very unethically. 

     If its alright for these dogs to get adopted out, without having to be spayed and neutered,  WHERE DOES IT END???

    EVERY rescue will soon follow suit ( I don't literally mean they all me), but some. People will start getting more dogs from rescues and dog pounds and start breeding, Which dogs should be allowed to be bred, and which ones shouldn't.

    There is nothing wrong with taking the dogs and doing stuff with them. The people who 'rescued' should not be able to make a dime off the breeding of these dogs.

    If one party is already considering breeding the dog, we all know what that means.

And I don't know about other countries laws, but this one does have that nagging little detail of,

DUE PROCESS, ie; process that is due. You know, coyrt procedures that should be followed BEFORE a person loses their property.

   Wonderful for the dogs that are being worked, and living the good life, but those planning to use them for financial gain should be ashamed...

    And those that think it's acceptable to breed rescue dogs should also be ashamed.

That is what bothers me...

GSDOldtimerlady: " I thought rescues were required to spay/neuter before animals were given out."
At least in Germany it´s no requirement, although it often happens.

Once again, I know none of the parties involved, but while thinking about what I would do in this situation ( suddenly responsible for 39 German Shepherd dogs in need of time, space, food, and vet care ) I´d try to find good homes for them as soon as possible. Where would I look first? I´d ask people I know and trust, friends and family, and I´d try to get the adult dogs to people used to German Shepherds. Where would I find this kind of people? In the clubs of my neighbourhood...

Zdog: "THere are breeders here that haven't had a well known dog for 10 generations, no show ratings, no nothing and have 30 litters per year with puppies going for 2500 a piece. "
Maybe I should change nationality, come over there and start breeding ...

In real life there is no black and white, decisions have to be made in the interest of the dogs ( and there are A LOT OF dogs ). If this is the case and they find good forever homes, altered or not, I´m fine with it - if they become a kind of commodity sold and resold after a while, you are right.

Just read your last 2 posts ( my typing is too slow )

I think DV passed officially on the dogs she owned. If this is true, these dogs became free for adoption.
The remaining 4 ( ? ) dogs have to wait until the court decision, spca is not allowed to give them back to anybody proclaiming to be the legal owner 8 even if they wanted to do so ).

Sitas, there are always 2 sides of the medal:

1 - most athorities first work with the owner, they give time to reduce the number of animals and also monitor to make sure the animals are clean and fed. This didn't happen!
Police was called, and depending on the pics they did what they were supposed to do.
2 - dogs which are supposed to be held until the court decision have disappeared, they are no longer at the spca facility.
From day 1 not all of the dogs were held at spca, they were given to foster homes, because of lack of space.
3 - some dogs disappeared even before getting to the facility.
Same as # 2
4 - puppies were seperated from their litter and their mother at 5 weeks, this is against federal laws.
Do you have proof for this? If this is true, it´s a shame.
5 - spca is not giving back people's dogs even with what we would thing is proof of ownership....(AKC certificate of registration, microchip verification, vet bills, and even agreements between dawn and the owners in regards to boarding).
I think, they are simply not allowed to do so.
6 - the rescue refused to let owners foster their own animals and even got restraining orders on any owners that tried to locate their animals.
Same as # 5
7 - the court date keeps being put off.
That´s a shame!
8 - dogs have been given to breeders to be used as breeders
Questionable, but not a real problem in my opinion.
9 - only one dog has been returned, because they didn't want to spend money on it for proper veterinary care.
Questionable, too.
 

To SitasMom:

You are right.  Lots of regulations were ignored in this fiasco.  Handing off breeder/show dogs to their cronies has to be wrong but still they got away with it.

And you are certainly correct with governmental entities running roughshod over the American citizens. LEOs using excessive force and even killing unarmed people,  federal BLM paid mercenaries with assault weaponry threatening to shoot to kill people defending a rancher. ( Too many eyes trained on this enormous over reach by the feds prevented a lot of blood shed ( unless you consider all the cattle shot and calves left motherless and valuable bulls shot).  BTW, where are all the animal rights people in this; they are strangely silent?

To Susie:

The right thing to have done by that rescue would have been to call in other rescues to help out and not hand off the cream of the crop to their favored friends.  Presumably the favored  friends have the papers so they can show and breed them.  Something serious wrong with that. The rescue most likely had a lot of money changing hands under the table and there is something seriously wrong with that also.

Presumably there is a court order keeping the animals in question in custody until there is a court order as to the rights of the legitimate owners.

It must be nice to have friends in high places. 

Doesn't anyone have any integrity any more?

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A few years ago there was a Siberian Husky raid on a home about 10 miles from the city we lived in.  I forget the number, but 30-50 is about right and this was the 2nd time and 2nd home these people did this in within about a 10 year period.  There wasn't a single dog that was adopted out the same day, same week, or same month.  They had floods and floods of applications and nowhere to go with all these dogs.  They still put them in foster homes for the ones that couldn't fit in the shelter.  All applicants were screened  When the evidence was collected, dogs vetted and brought back to health, and the court said go ahead, the dogs were taken out of foster homes and adopted out to approved homes after they were altered of course.

I can't help but think had this been a breeder of mutt dogs, pit bulls, or some other breed not associated with a shelter board member, they all would have been spayed and nuetered before anybody even got to see the dogs.  But since some dogs had worth, they went right to their friends.  AKC registration papers in hand.  Not weeks or months after the raid, but almost same day.  

Shelters and SPCA and Humane societies raise money year round tugging at the heart strings of Americans.  They even get Sara to sing her sappiest song ever to help evoke emotion and loosen those purse strings.  All based on the fact that there are too many unwanted dogs in America and we need to give them money to save them all.  Something tells me that if word got out they were just using money to take a breeders dogs and give them to another breeder to make more puppies, the public might not be so forthcoming with their donations.