Von Hunterhaus, 39 dogs seized - Page 37

Susie, the best I can tell the AKC is an official pedigree with the owner of record recorded. no different than any other registry.

Sitasmom, please share which dogs are officially showing owners from several years on the front of the certificate and I will join your quest for justice. I do believe you are not correct. You are spieling the lies of Dawn. Paperwork can be manipulated but the dogs were with her (all 30 plus) in disgusting living conditions so legal owners come forward and defend yourselves. Until the courts decide, let's put this to rest. If there were people who legally owned dogs that were with her maybe they should also be facing charges? 

I am asking the admin (Mr. Darcy) to delete me from the PD. I do not wish to be part of this forum any longer. Thank you.

Well, THIS is how my dogs sleep, so NO, don't worry me about that stupud nonsense.

    I do however have a degree in Constitutional Law, thats what bothers me.

These dogs should not be allowed to improve someone elses breeding program. If you want a dog for breeding, buy it!!!! Don't rescue it, for your own financial gain. 

   Them people should be ashamed of themselves. Show them, train them, whatever.

I would never send my dogs off to someone else for training, breeding, nothing.

    Susie, AKC papers do state owner, and I agree, they are nothing more than a dog registry. They should not expect to get involved in ownership debates.

    How many times you read someone bought AKC or other registry , registered dogs, but the new owner was not furnished the paperwork. AKC does not get involved in that, 

    I am just appalled at the wsy the 'adoptions' were handled.

Agreeing with KitKat, because, as much as the new owners may now

look after the dogs properly  (as well as showing & breeding them),

it is still true what was said about they deserve to 'retire' after what

happened to them,...  and as Rescue(d) Dogs, the action may set a

precedent for other Shelters to follow which could lead to all sorts of

abuses, depending on the validity of the rescuing organisation/person.  

I can see a can of worms opening up here, if what happened to these dogs

in Dawn's case gets repeated elsewhere later.  Charities here usually do not

do this sort of re-homing for good reason.

And, from the other side, I know I would be hesitant to breed from any dog

which had been through the trauma of abuse and rescue, particularly - as

is common - because they may be 'damaged goods' in some way that wasn't

immediately obvious, and that might affect their progeny.   Too much of a

risk.

I don't understand how 'Frank' or anybody is Showing the dog or dogs obtained

this way, because if their owners are other than Dawn and still have their papers,

surely that is in breach of AKC regulations ?  It would be, over here;  you cannot

enter a dog into KC Shows without being able to produce - if asked - Registration

Papers in your name ...

After reading through ALL these posts (Nothing going on this morning) I wonder how many people who are posting are PERSONALLY involved? How many have talked to the people like Charlene and Frank who are being condemned out of hand? Has ANYONE who is on here talking trash about Frank actually picked up the phone and talked to him? Probably not. It's easy to hide behind anonymity and a keyboard. 

   To the people who are saying the dogs "deserve to retire". These dogs are working dogs, they are trained and have minds that need to be exercised. It would be cruel to force the dogs to go to a home where all they did was sit on the couch. German Shepherds are not happy doing that when raised as pets. A dog who has been trained and shown will go crazy with nothing to do. I have personally seen Dante within the last week. He is HAPPY and very healthy, and he is living the life with Frank. No more living in a crate covered in feces. I'm not sure why people aren't elated that Dante and Embroh are living with people who love them and who make sure they are happy and well cared for. Probably because there's no scandal or gossip when you look at it that way. 

If anyone has any questions and is not to scared to reply without being anonymous, find me on Facebook, Pam Martin

  

Hundmutter, for both dogs, Dante and Embroh, I can´t find any other owner than DV, so I think in their case former ownership isn´t questioned.
For both dogs there is no offspring listed on PDB or elsewhere ( at least I wasn´t able to find any ). That said we are talking about a 6 year old male and a young coated male, who were not used as studs much or not at all. The new owner will not make "big money" with them, no Uran, no Zamp, just normal males. Why are people not willing to believe, that there is the possibility, this guy just took the dogs because he likes them?

Spay/neuter - several dogs went to foster homes immediately, so they were not altered. I really don´t think this matters in this case.
If they found good homes that were not interested in altering the dogs, so why should they?

Nobody said they had to lay on a couch all day, they should be altered and placed in a loving home.  "rescuing" a dog so you can use it to breed is freaking disgusting and unethical.  It is, in ever circle except for a very few of course that that stand to profit from another dogs bad sitation.

It's like when I donated a football signed by an NFC championship team with pictures of them signing it to a Cancer Charity that raises money to pay expenses for the victims.  and instead of auctioning it to raise the money for the victims, they decide to sell it on ebay and pocket the cash instead.  It's unethical and dirty.  

Or when I donate to goodwill knowing that they sell it to raise money so those with challenges can learn working skills and get back in society and I find out they've taken my flat screen and put it in their living room instead.  It's unethical and dirty.

or a town busts up a prostitution ring and free's the girls, but keeps the ones with nice asses for themselves and puts them in a nicer house.  Dirty.

Don't tell me about keeping GSD's happy, alter them and adopt them out to loving homes, you know, like rescues are supposed to do after a raid.  Not sell the nicest ones to their friends.  Why isn't he altered?  don't tell me showing is necessary for a GSD's psyche, you run around a ring honking horns.  yeah for you.  You can do that in your yard.  You can still work them.  I've titled 3 different spayed dogs in my life.  Why can't Frank?  let me guess, the dog wouldn't be worth it then because it's not the dog that's important.  It's the breeding.  You guys out yourselves everytime you speak.

It's a sad day in America when the cops can come take your stuff, then sell it to the highest bidder before a trial even happens.  They at least have to convict a drug dealer before they can sell his cars, but here we have far less than ethical people working with less restrictions and oversight.  

I don't care what your name is, I don't care who Frank is, giving out dogs you've "rescued"  thru a raid should be altered and given loving homes.  They should NOT go back into the breeding pool.  I don't know how some of you defend it??????  Don't call yourself a rescuerer, you're a for profit dog re-seller.  you take cheap dogs and sell them.  Call yourself what you are.  

zdog, you got it right except the part about them being "....dog re-seller." what they really are is thieves.....no due process, just go in and raid the house, take the best and dump the rest. This country allows this shit in the name of rescue....what it amounts to, is people aren't allowed private property anymore, same way it happened in Cuba in the '50's and early 60's. A f'ing group hiding behind an agenda have the powers that be think they are doing good, and there go your rights to own anything that some one else wants, including the government.

"zdog"... When you stop throwing around vague accusations while hiding behind anonymity I might take you seriously. Also, your reading comprehension worries me. Please show where I called myself a rescuer, lol. Take a while and learn the facts of a situation then respond with facts not emotional rhetoric. 

my comprehension is fine, so what do the people that raided the breeder call themselves? Vague accusations?  what's vague about saying rescued dogs should not be taken from a raid and rescue situation and the dogs given to friends to use in breeding programs.  That's vague?  Kind of seems pretty to the point. and I will remain anonymous.  when you don't like the message shoot the messenger huh?  It wouldn't matter if my name was Charlene or Dawn, the facts remain the same.

I can't believe there are people out there that think it's ok for this to happen.  It's like a cop raiding a drug house and pulling out the nice gran torino and before it gets to the impound he calls his friend to go pick it up.  There's a reason things like have been done here are frowned upon.  I guess it doesn't surprise me that some either can't or refuse to see why.