Czech GSD's with bad hips - Page 37

Absolutely no idea what joanro and aaykay are on about...
If the shoe fits, wear it...

I was on your website once and have no intention to visit it again...don't even know of your planned breedings and don't care...

So the people that were supporting Hans early on in this Forum don't have a clue as to what they were talking about...
They were saying that 2 out of the thousands bred is a small percentage......etc, etc, etc............................................
Let's use only 20% HD as Hans talks about on this page...as he says that anything below 40% is improving the breed...
Thta means Hans and Jiri breeds 400 Dysplastic GSD's out of every 2000 GSD's bred...according to your own statistics...


Hans, I don't need ammo for snipe hunting...

The 2 litters between Urf and Para were long born so there is no changing that...
All i'm asking is for info as to where do you think the bad hips are coming from...B'cos this will educate a lot of us here on this Forum...If you don't know then that is a big worry....

I'm not going to use this  info against Jiri OR yourself...
Especially because the repeat mating was done  4 to 5 months after the first mating pups were born...so you had no Hip results at that time which is understandable...
The 2 people I referred to earlier don't even know of this Forum...

The thing is if we only would breed on dogs where both male and female comes from 100% HD free litters, then lots of dogs can´t be breed on. You have to draw the line somewhere I guess and look at all aspects, a litter where one partner have 20% HD but only HD C combined with a partner that is 100% free I would assume is a much better choice than a combination where the 20% faults are more severe or on both sides. What the parents to a certain combination left earlier is also something to consider. One of the better producer of both HD/ED and mentality here in sweden for the moment has  father that has given quite much HD/ED, BUT he in his turn only had 4 litters and two of these where with females that themselves come from litters with pretty much HD or have produced it with other males, so in this case it´s likely  the females that was "responsible" more I guess. But there is room for improvement, I hardly think all who can accept some risk of HD/ED is doing this because the breedingcombination is flawless in other healthaspects and mentality.

So what are you going to do with the other 2 out of 10... crack them in the head and go to sleep? If you took the people out of the factor ... ME INCLUDED, which has never bred (hey, how ya doing??) so they are not making f'ed up dogs then we might have what we want.. If they are not 100% pass on the tests then don't put the dogs together... Fix them and live your life with them. Don't add to it.

Most dogs with HD C will not have a problem, many dogs in sport or service with HD C, so it´s not like these dogs are likely to suffer from problems at an early age, so just because a litter has 1 or 2 dogs with slight HD this doesn´t mean these dogs are not functional, breeding on them is another story. Weak mentality, allergies and other more serious problems is worse than a HD C you will probably not notice. Then I didn´t say the majority of breedings should be from such litters, but HD is not the only problem to care about.

Hans, why don't you email OFA with your CONCERNS about their program?

If you have litter of 10 pups and 2 are dysplastic and the rest is good than that is a breeding improvement since it is below  world average of 40%-60% of HD in GSD ( according to different statistic. )

That is news to me.  I always thought HD was about 25% in all large breed dogs, I have never heard of this 40% - 60% statistic.  Does anyone have any references to this statistic or similar information?

"That is news to me.  I always thought HD was about 25% in all large breed dogs, I have never heard of this 40% - 60% statistic.  Does anyone have any references to this statistic or similar information?"

I'd like to see it as well.  The OFA shows a 19% incidence of HD in the GSD.  Either way, suggesting it's ok to repeat a breeding that produces even one dysplastic dog is irresponsible, IMO.

Given most don't submit the bad xrays to OFA, I'm not sure OFA really knows for sure the true percentage of HD in this breed. Breeders probably have a better handle on that.The GSD breeders I know don't get anywhere near 30 - 40% anymore and my friends in other large breeds don't either. Its' not all that unusual to see entire litters with normal hips.

whew...slinking back into the room......hiding in the rear corner laughing at some of the most ridiculous comments....Gustav, Slam...leave now...stupid is as stupid does:-) 

...lol

I don't know why breeders, or non-breeders for that matter, care if a specific breeder OFA's or does not OFA his or her dogs. If it's THAT important to you, make sure you OFA your own breeding stock, or tell the governing body that they need to implement a forced OFA'ing to register litters, otherwise I don't see the point of someone who had to quit breeding because he/she could not sell the pups or has never bred at all, tell a old-time breeder what he/she needs to do.

This is like Gateway Computers telling Apple how to run a pc business.