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by Shandra on 03 December 2012 - 15:12
Gustav, I wasnt specifying you directly, It was more an in general. I, myself, am researching to purchase a puppy around march/april. I want to be as informed as possible, taking into consideration all aspects. I want a pup that will be capable of sporting if that is what it turns out to be most suited for. Regardless, the dog will be my companion whether it ends up with health issues or not. The more I read, the more it seems the buyer must be exceedingly careful of where the pup comes from. On the other hand, the sellers are also ending up with some real nutjobs for buyers.
by Gustav on 03 December 2012 - 15:12
Btw, Aadilah, I have imported 7puppies in past 9 years....none have had crippling HD, and the worse would be NZ hips (one), now do I use your hypothetical, or do I use my life experience as my guide. Or am I lucky which would be consistent with how flawed my thinking on this subject? I dunno what to think?
by Gustav on 03 December 2012 - 15:12
One other thing Aadilah, if that first litter I gave had two out of nine dysplastic, would the next litter have two also?, would it produce four?, would it produce one or none? Can you tell me which one it will be, cause if you can't then your whole premise is faulty!
As for your Please Note point....that is typical pet breeding mentality to my way of thinking....that's why we see things differently!
As for your Please Note point....that is typical pet breeding mentality to my way of thinking....that's why we see things differently!
by joanro on 03 December 2012 - 15:12
Melody/aadilah, show how I've "proven there is no hope" for my "breeding programs".
Show us the results of YOUR "breeding programs", maybe Jiri could learn something from you...NOT.
Show us the results of YOUR "breeding programs", maybe Jiri could learn something from you...NOT.
by Aadilah07 on 03 December 2012 - 15:12
Gustav - i quote from my post " So you are saying that the superior working quality would make you repeat the mating even though you know that this litter will in all probability produce another pair or more pups with bad hips..."
There's your answer, what did you think by repeating the mating it was gonna get any better...looks like you believe in luck and maybe it's gonna be your lucky breeding....
You can't hide away from a fault, even if there was a very slight chance that no pup in the repeat breeding was dysplastic, guess what, most definately some of these pups will produce this fault in their progeny...so much for improving the breed...
Don't you think you've posted enough on this Forum, we heard you post after post and are cautioning you to beware....Breed healthy dogs Gustav...
Hips are a major, major concern and "your experience" together with the mentality you showing here on this Forum is gonna make things worse...
Hans, still waiting for your input on the question I posted on the previous page...
There's your answer, what did you think by repeating the mating it was gonna get any better...looks like you believe in luck and maybe it's gonna be your lucky breeding....
You can't hide away from a fault, even if there was a very slight chance that no pup in the repeat breeding was dysplastic, guess what, most definately some of these pups will produce this fault in their progeny...so much for improving the breed...
Don't you think you've posted enough on this Forum, we heard you post after post and are cautioning you to beware....Breed healthy dogs Gustav...
Hips are a major, major concern and "your experience" together with the mentality you showing here on this Forum is gonna make things worse...
Hans, still waiting for your input on the question I posted on the previous page...
by Blitzen on 03 December 2012 - 17:12
If you want a dog for breeding and want to assure that it will have normal hips and elbows (regardless of who breeds the litter or certifies the parents' hips), get an adult that is already certified.
As long as there is no DNA to identify HD carriers, there will be no end to HD. There is currently at least one study going on where DNA is needed for research regarding HD in this breed. They want swabs from dogs from families that have produced 2 or more dogs with HD.
http://www.vetgen.com/research-genetic-disease.html
As long as there is no DNA to identify HD carriers, there will be no end to HD. There is currently at least one study going on where DNA is needed for research regarding HD in this breed. They want swabs from dogs from families that have produced 2 or more dogs with HD.
http://www.vetgen.com/research-genetic-disease.html
by joanro on 03 December 2012 - 17:12
Or, we could just breed DNA, instead of dogs...better yet, stop breeding and start cloning. When THE dog that is found not to have the gene for HD, clone the heck out of it and you'll have the futuristic GSD free of any possibility for Hd. However, that may be the ONLY thing positive to be said for it....but hey, that doesn't matter.
by Gustav on 03 December 2012 - 18:12
@Aadilah......I will the others decide whether or not my posts are hurting the breed. Based on what do you arrive at the conclusion that the repeat breeding will be as bad or worse. I certainly never said that. I asked you how many pups will be dysplastic in the repeat breeding?....you neatly sidestepped answering that....because you DON'T know!, therefore you can't assume the breeding will produce the same results.
by Gustav on 03 December 2012 - 18:12
@Aadilah, I think I will take your advice on this thread and butt out....I am comfortable people can determine the salient points in the discussion. Thanks!
by Blitzen on 03 December 2012 - 18:12
How breeders use DNA results is up to them. Breeders of many different breeds have been able to eliminate lifethreatening diseases from their breeding stock simply by not doubling up on carriers and/or avoiding specific combinations. DNA identification of a carrier doesn't necessarily mean that dog is not a breeding candidate. Knowing which dogs are more likely to produce HD in their progeny can only benefit the breed in the long run. There are no negatives.
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