Breed Improvement Suggestions for the UK GSD Breed Council - Page 34

I have kept out of this and enough has been said,can we, that is those that are interested. get back to the thread we have addressed the health issues via our proposal, wether it is instigated that we will know in time (years away) we can hopefully exert more pressure on our Breed Council to start fulfilling their obligations to our breed.

Herr Meyer has recognised that the SV must look at the breed from its founders point of view and look at working/temperament issues in the breed,

I think now the thread should insist on the BC also recognising this and build in a indentifiable programme working to eventual koreung in not to many years time, it is NOT an argument that there is not enough trainers and clubs because when the old BSA was started some used that argument and look now 20 clubs country wide.If a carefully thought out plan was instigated the breed clubs could propose a training session bring in a suitably experienced trainer weekly/monthly and begin

If the schedule of intrduction is say over 5 years it could begin with and experienced obedience trainer then tracking and finally protection and in the meantime before we get to the goal of koreung hopefully we will see handlers who want to learn ob tracking and helperwork IT CAN BE DONE THE OLD BSA PROVED IT

it just takes  the will.

Liz, (I feel I can call you Liz... after so many exchanges) you are quite right, I did not draft a proposal, frankly I don't think I'd be very good at it, however, I did ask DP to help... as he made it quite clear that his would be fabulous... in fairness... it's very good indeed.  I've never had a problem with DP doing it!

Yes... I do think it's time to get back GSD health and improvements... shame we were ever interupted!!!

If you feel slighted or agrieved at anything I have posted, I apologise unreservedly.

Hi Reason, is there any chance that we could have something where the protection/manwork wasn't mandatory to eventually attain top marks?  I'm really not so keen on that side of things.

I have been following this thread with great interest, and have not joined in previously, because  any ideas I may have would surely be ignored. I now feel after reading the "Proposals" over and over,  that I may as well be hung for my views instead of keeping them to myself.  While I feel that the proposals, if accepted and followed are an excellent starting point, my main concern is the BHC. While it covers the conditions, that can be tested for, there are many many more that cannot be tested for unless clinical signs are present. Certainly,  in years to come, tests may become available and could be added to the BHC, but that is probably a long way off. My point is, that untill Breeders are prepared to be honest and open about any illness, and I mean any (not just bad hips, elbows, haemo) that there kennel may have, then I don't think we really can have any Breed Improvement--not healthwise anyway.  Why are so many afraid to make public the cause of death of a young animal, or a not so young for that matter.  If there is a database, or if one was started up to register an animal if it developed health problems or died, how many would use it.  Not many I suspect. Even some posters who have spoken of having dogs with EPI etc rarely, if ever, mention the dogs breeding. Why????   All we get are rumours and hearsay.                                                                                                                                                                                                     

In schutzhund protection is NOT mandatory for qualifications you can now take any one of the diceplines for instance once you have made BH you can make TR1 which is the sch1 track only and this qualification will be registered in your record book by the same token you can make OB1, TR2 etc etc without protection you can not however make a koreung

But an interesting point why are you not so keen if you have no experience of it!

PS Are you the poster that said they were going to watch the South Valley Trial

Brady Bee, unfortunately, you are (kind of) right.  There has been at least one database set up (a good few years back) to collate and monitor a variety of problems and I don't think it was used much.

This is a start, not a finished product.  If breeders have to carry out a series of health checks before they can have their stock registered at a certain level it can only be beneficial, especially if Joe Public can be made aware that the only puppies to buy are those whose parents have "enhanced pedigrees".  Information is much more readily avalable these days (internet etc) so it shouldn't take so long to get the message across.

I'm hopeful.

Reason, no, I don't know where south valley is!  I do want to go and watch though, I'll try to pick one near me.

I'm not keen because I don't see the point for me... I never got interested in the P.D. stake either.  I've seen some manwork at the Sieger and I wasn't impressed, many of the dogs failed to come off when called, there just seemed to be an overall lack of control with too many of them.  I could be converted... with a new dog... as my youngest is coming up 8 years and is not built for anything athletic frankly.

Key postings leading to my proposals - I did not state they would be "fabulous" - see "HIGHLIGHT"

by Videx on 05 September 2008 - 12:09
Pity "nobody" wants to formulate and process the "Two Tier GSD Kennel Club Registration System" - It could have been beneficial to our breed, given the right content and publicity and breeder support.

by beepy on 05 September 2008 - 15:09
Videx - why dont you formulate and put forward the suggestion?  You breed and show regularly, and are a known person and kennel.
People who have yet to breed will not be taken seriously anyway.  I might have had numerous GSDs over the years but I wouldnt be seen as someone worth listening to.

by Videx on 05 September 2008 - 18:09
beepy: If I formulated and circulated and presented it, It would be totally professional, and IT WOULD BE DEAD IN THE WATER. The British will eagerly accept the CHARMING front, with personal agenda and no matter what evil lurks behind.  I simply do not do CHARM &  POPULARITY. I yearn for NOTHING, I seek NOTHING, I do NOT kiss a**e.

by missbeeb on 05 September 2008 - 19:09
DP, if what you say is true, why don't you formulate without circulating?  You could email your totally professional formulation to Beepy... and allow Beepy to circulate & present it, after all, what matters here is the end result... improvement of the GSD, yes?

by Videx on 10 September 2008 - 14:09