Czech GSD's with bad hips - Page 32

She's dead, Jen. That was 25 years ago

Yeah, she's been posting like a mad lady today!   Must be nerves or something?


Lots of good informatiion on this post.  

I think when it comes to hip testing, some just want to fill the holes and think it will help others for the future. Some think they don't need to, they already know where the holes are.
IMHO

LMAO, Blitzen. 

It was a JOKE...simple reference to the crazies coming out of the woodworks here lately and the full moon comments on other forums. 

When OFA failed my 2 dogs and later rated them both as good with new xrays, I thought I would look for a better way to certify my dogs. After that I didn't breed much and hadn't been getting any HD anymore.  All dogs cleared from my last 3 litters, most were xrayed, so I kept with OFA for the few dogs I had remaining. They all certified too.When I got my last 2 GSD's, they were already OFA certified, one aso has an A-1 stamp. She was bred in Germany and imported here as a puppy. She was A stamped at 12 months and xrayed again at 24 months for OFA. They rated her as borderline and asked for a redo in 6 months at which time she got a good. All my other dogs, not GSD's received OFA numbers as  thought they would, a few of the rating were not what  expected.

Personally I would like to see more xrays than the few vet has posted here; clearly the original xrays were not diagnostic and OFA should have asked for a re-take. I also think it's important that all dogs but one in Table 3 failed with sedation and passed without. The vet claims he doesn't need to sedate using his method.I don't understand that statement. This vet also offers hip evaluations at a cost. Maybe this link is a marketing tool for him? I don't know. Not quite ready to drink the KoolAid. Need to see some more critical thinking.

It's really hard to know who to trust to certify hips. OFA make mistakes. Some have reported on this database that dogs that have recived A stamps have failed OFA and vice versa. A friend sold a GSD puppy that was xrayed at 24 months and graded  fair by OFA. The xraying vet told the owner the dog should never be bred,fair hips weren't good enough, so they spayed her .Vets pull on puppies' legs and tell the proud owers if they don't have those hips "fixed" the dog will be crippled.

I'm glad will ony ever have one GSD litter due next week. It's just too confusing!

Oh, gotcha! I'm out of it today. I guess I know who you're talking about. The off topic forum? Haven't been there yet, but I bet I can guess who....she's baack. Let the conspiracy theories begin. I hope you guys don't talk about me that way LOL.

Never mind, wrong person.

There have been studies done that suggest some drugs relaxes the muscles more and therefore can hide a "loose hip" or what it´s called in english, such hips are also not working as good as hips that don´t have this tendency, good hips will not show this even if they use drugs that relaxs the muscls more. So the latest I read on the subject is certain drugs give a more correct evaluation and in time better for the breed. I guess such sources of errors are less of a concern if littermates to the breedingdogs are checked, so you are breeding on more than the individual dog.

And the next topic we need to examine is that of transitional lumbosacral vertebrae.

Here is the most recent peer-reviewed report on that...and it's FREE to download the entire thing in PDF, too!

Ok Hans, you still have not enlightened us as previously requested on page 12...

Back to the topic...

Given your in depth knowledge and many, many years of breeding, kindly share some light...

Kindly use the link below; this is a mating check between Urf and Para z Jirkova Dvora...

If a puppy out of this combination ends up with severe hips, where would you say the bad hips are coming from?
Given the fact that you know these two dogs and their ancestors, siblings very well...


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=617029&mother=714845



Please note: No one said you OR your partner are breeding from dogs that have HD. The difference is that you are breeding dogs that now have HD (some of the progeny from those dogs that are clear from HD). You know this, your partner Jiri knows this...people on this Forum know this mainly from previous Forums, etc. What exactly are you and Jiri doing about this...

To those that follow the statistic of thousands of dogs, where are the thousands OR even hundreds of results to show proof of the HD free bred dogs from your 30+ years of breeding...
 As observed by Blitzen, there are only 25 - 30 Jirkova Dvora dogs on the OFA Database (see page 14). Isn't that an amazing stat...

Proly the great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandmother wolf. Or maybe the great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather wolf. Take your pick melaadilah.