If you had a Magic Wand.... - Page 31

Susie, I stopped importing dogs from Germany 20 years ago.....but I'm not looking for sport stock. Anyway, I acquire dogs from both sides of the pond. There are some excellent breeders in US that I have worked with. Actually, if you are going to acquire a dog the most important element is your relationship with the breeder and the knowledge of the breeder as opposed to where the dog comes from....stipulating that breeder has the genetic stock.
The bulk of dogs imported to US to day is for sport and show. There are definite advantages in German dogs for sport( high prey genetics) and show( winning type/bloodlines), so the participants acquire them along with the antique "status" of having imported dog from Germany. ( That's not saying the dogs are antique but the status symbol of German dogs has meaning more to show/sport people.)
So, yes for those folks, Germany may still be Mecca.....but that doesn't constitute all of us.

I am a State broker for LE in several States to include New York, and have been since the eighties. We used to have an easy transition for Sch or titled dog to LE dog. Today there are places and types of titled dogs it's not worth my time to pursue. Then I come on here and learn that the only real working dogs are titled dogs or national level dogs or maybe imported dogs. That sounds good to those who only know what they know, but I know that there are good dogs on both sides of pond, titled and untitled.

Mithuna creeping around IPO clubs talking to some unsuspecting  random lady you don't know actually does not make for a valid assessment of a dog's temperament and working ability to publicly post on the internet.

It just makes you a creeper.

Hate to break the bad news to you.

EVERY SINGLE legitimate/respected breeder I’ve spoken to (including arguably the most successful breeder of GSD today), has talked of the importance of the mother line in a breeding program and how important the dam’s working ability is in regards to the litter’s success. The biggest hole in the US breeding programs is the lack of titling and working of females and the expectation that if they are bred to the major imported studs, the puppies will become something fantastic. In Germany…the females are at least tested and worked, maybe not to a national level, but their working ability is proven beyond that of “I know what I’m looking at and she’d work for sure” which seems to be the accepted bar that the “exceptions” set in the United States.

I fail to be impressed or led to believe the Marko son description is particularly special. I see certain of those natural behaviors in my current dogs and also past dogs. All pets! Just part of the standard GSD we all love.

If some other lady's GSD was aloof to you, a total stranger, that is just perfect.

I think RS has used a version of the standard that has used "calm" interchangeably with "good natured". No deceptive intent there, at all.

American's buy cheaper titled adult GSDs from Europe, and GSD puppies from titled parents. I can't see American's bothering to import another countries Byb unless it is for rescue.

Gustav, you have your own special category.
 

i not want to beat dead donkey much more but i make statistic of german shepherd sport dog in amerika: take average dog number for nationals and multiply by ten, so 1,000 'real' sport dogs in circulating, divide by 4 year for average duration, so 250 dogs, multiply by 3 for puppies need for make one good sport dog: need 750 puppies pa. now, majorities of dog in usa sport look import. how can about 115 litters per year, most coming from german, czech and slovak breeder impact usa breeder or breed ?

akc say it register over 40.000 puppies of gsd every year. even for you describe sport canine correct, which i think is not, how can sport breeding make impact on general breed and breeding? if 2/3 of usa sport dog are import, and look by result this is low number, less than 0.5% of akc registered gsd puppies for sport cannot make impact. is impossible.

now you can look at other 99.5% of akc puppies breeded by illusion of faulty standard like red say, no testing for all 'wesen' categories combined, and you see impact on breed and it make many people shake heads and much sad.

 

Its very simple all the  original breed great working sport-dogs from the past come from and is created in  Europe

German Shepherd. Malinois,Dobermann,bouvier,rottweiler, Dutch shepherd,Riesen Schnautzer etc, etc this are created by knowledge,

What breed have the US created the last 100 years sport working dogs..???

 

BM...we've had plenty of the world's best breeders and trainers move to this country. Plenty of people here have studied under the best of what Europe has to offer. There's nothing stopping the United States from breeding correct working dogs except for itself.

Fring you bring math, statistics and logic to a place of magic wands and people that make up their own standards and just KNOW (from the couch) their dog is super-duper special......yes you are beating a dead horse.

The point is the US have nothing created

All the knowledge from this breeds comes original  from Europe

 

Yes even Staatsmacht Kennel is imported to the US..............

Gustav, one wise man is not able to change the whole world.

I know there are good dogs in the States, but compared to the whole amount of German Shepherd Dogs bred within your country these dogs are the exception, not the rule.
Not only show line or working line folks are still importing on a regular basis, but police, military, and private security, too, simply because they are not able to find suitable dogs within the States.
No, I am not talking about winners, I am talking about working dogs. There is an International "broker" market solely established for the working dog need of the USA for almost 40 years now, you can´t deny it, a lot of people are living from this market.

In case I´d be an American I´d buy in the States because I´d know where to go, and ( as you maybe realized ) I try to support everybody to buy "locally", cause I know that there are some good breeders and good dogs, but as soon as you start to think about the huge amount of so called German Shepherd Dogs bred in the United States those "good" breeders and their dogs are the total minority, difficult to find, and cause of their lack of titling, more than difficult to weed out by potential buyers from the greeders.