Von Hunterhaus, 39 dogs seized - Page 31

They blocked Dawn from entering. She was held for 23 hours and then not allowed to enter. She had to stand before the judge on Monday...
They had to wait until a court order allowed them to remove the dogs.
So from Saturday morning until Monday afternoon the dogs were in limbo. Dawn was not allowed to take care of them and the SPCA was not allowed to remove them.
Feeding, watering and cleaning up for them kinda fell thru the cracks.
How is that for our justis system?
 

>I don't understand why people think a dog who isn't fed for 3 days keeps on shitting in their crates making a big mess. 

Simple, basic canine physiology, Jennie78, that's how.

Food that enters a dog's stomach takes approximately 8hrs to be digested before it passes into the small intestine where it will remain for approximately two days before being passed. That is part of the reason a canine suspected of eating a foreign item must be watched for no less than 48hrs to see if it passes; and it explains why dogs at boarding kennels have been known to poop out items (tennis ball shreds, sticks, coins!) that they were not exposed to in the kennel for several days after their drop off date. Items they ate at home. 

Just because no food is going in does not mean fecal matter will not continue to be expelled until the digestive tract is empty; which depending on how much digestable matter was in the dog helps dictate how long it takes before the system is empty.

Also, Jennie78, do not overlook the fact that dogs will often eat their own fecal matter, especially if in an enclosed space -- a canine attempt at housekeeping. A dog that consumes his own fecal matter will, obviously, pass it back out, and his space will get less clean with each cycle.

Oh, please. I understand physiology just fine, thank you. What I do not understand is how anyone who has ever had a dog can look at those photos and seriously believe that solid layers multiple inches thick happened in 3 days or less. I certainly hope I am never so lazy and reprehensible to find out just how much poop continues to come out when I stop caring for them for 3 days and they start eating it and recycling over and over. If they were in there for 3 days, that's 3 days of poop. Even at 2x per day, which most dogs who have not been fed are not going to do for more than 1 or 2 days, that's 6 piles. 6 piles is not filling large crates inches high. It's going to make a hell of a mess if they get it all over themselves, but not like that.

I frequently fast my dogs and am well aware of what goes in and when it comes out. I don't have 39 and I pay attention to them. A dog will not poop in their crate unless they have no choice. Most would go a full day at LEAST before dirtying their crate. ISo, either they were kept so filthy that they had no qualms about it OR they were in there, untouched, for longer than 3 days. Take your pick. Any way you look at this, it's disgusting and it's eye-opening to say the least at how many are able to rationalize any part of that mess.

What is wrong that we're actually having to argue about how much neglect it takes to build a full slab of poop for a dog to live on top of???

If you understood physiology, you would not have said you can't understand how a dog that isn't fed for three days will keep pooping. Just sayin' :)

SitasMom
I am trying to figure out where you got the 3 days, from Dawn's post?
1. A concerned neighbor calls the owner of the rental house because he knows there are multiple dogs there and hasn't seen anyone around. She enters her property and immediately calls 911.
2. The sheriff enters property (with owners permission) and searches, finds horrible conditions and the CGHS is mobilized. They seize all dogs at this property immediately, I would assume using imminent danger as the justification for seizure. Therefore any conditions were due to the owners lack of care. A one count charge allows them to arrest the owner.
3. They become aware of an additional home owned by Dawn and her partner Chris, she is un-co-operative forcing them to obtain a search warrant, which is done impressively quickly on a weekend. They enter the property and seize the dogs. I am not sure whether this was later on Sat or Sun. Either way any delay was due to her lack of co-operation.
4.The CGHS did an outstanding job, mobilized quickly for a huge seizure and saved lives. All Dawn has done is not accept any responsibility, give excuses, and blame others. Do you honestly believe her claim that the conditions were due to one work shift, made worse by the "3 days" and she was heading home to care for her 39 dogs?

J.C. Carroll, I gave you more credit than to take my words at face value ALONE- I was making a point. I have a pretty good grasp on basic biological functions. My point is HOW MUCH COMPACTED POOP CAN THERE REALLY BE IN A CRATE OF A DOG WHO HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN 3 DAYS? I would have to pick up my backyard and shovel it into one of my 700 crates and smash it down with a shovel to simulate the conditions and I'm still not sure it would fill the crate like they were filled in some of those pics. And I have 6 adult dogs on my property....12 piles per day...36 piles in 3 days...yeah, maybe we're getting closer now to the level of neglect we see here. 

THIS IS ASININE. I hope you defenders and rationalizers are happy when AR folks win because "we" (breeders) cannot seem to keep our standards to an acceptable level on our own. I HATE big humane organizations. I hate them. They're a farse, they don't help animals, etc. etc. HOWEVER, you're all doing them a great big favor debating how long it takes to fill a crate with X inches of SHIT depending on bedding used, size, temperament of dog, etc. ARE YOU SERIOUS??? 

I hate agreeing w/VK4 on anything...but I just might have to ask him for a copy of his list after this eye-opener. 

I have been very busy this week. I haven't cleaned in 3 days. There are some muddy paw prints on the floor. End of story. 

Jenni78
I hear what you are saying, I am far from an AR, I sleep ever ynight with my beautiful WGSL girl that I bred myself on my bed. I also have many questions regarding the the large organizations. Unfortunately people like Dawn V give all breeders a bad name, I have no doubt that if this had gone on much longer they would have found dead dogs. I have found many of the local organizations to be doing very good work; one of my best dogs was a German Shorthair that I got at the San Diego Humane Society, I had him for 15 years.

Agree- local organizations that are doing the most good get the least help. Uninformed people send money to the big names that line their pockets with no benefits to the animals themselves.

I don't see why people can't seem to grasp that if we, as breeders, care for our animals well, are responsible in selling them, that the AR movement will have less leverage. Situations like this tarnish us all. We're supposed to be animal lovers, and here we are arguing over how much shit is acceptable for a dog to live in ???    There is no acceptable reaction to those photos except horror. 

A friend of mine owns a large fur farm (how about that for AR....lol). His animals have waaaaay better living conditions than those dogs. Sad.

 

The house[s] were in horrible condition. The officials would never have been called if the conditions were good. If it were chickens, mink, cats, or dogs it does not matter as DV was incapable of proper care. I have a second Axe to grind with DV. She was passing herself off as an expert GSD person. She took money for pups, board, training, stud service and all she did was talk the talk, never walk the walk. She used us all.