Top Showlines with good protection phase - Page 31

I always said you were an extremely wise man Ibrahim!

If you go to Tracy's site you can see Hillo, I had 3 daughters out of him.....and a Triumphs Gucci son out of a Hoss Hassnborn daughter.

You will also want to look at Pele' Oxsalis and what he produced in Quota Bullinger.  I will say that Tracys foundation lines are loaded with and are a great reference to the names mentioned in this thread.


Also look up Vedor Wildstigerland on her site......My Hillo daughter out of a Vedor daughter was amazing and to quote a world team member "the toughest bitch I have ever seen" 


This is not a paid advertisement.   But I found a lot of these dogs in Jacko's lines which is why I had to have him.....glad I got lucky and do.


http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=671359 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=347667&p=6-generation-pedigree 

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=346942 

Thanks so much Randy and Ibrahim! You can be on the list for sure!
We'll see how it goes.
This is the dog that I am seriously contemplating:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=580398
I would love to hear what you have to say about him Randy. I respect your research as well.
The only thing that worries me a little is that I have not seen his work. But if you go out into the 6 generation pedigree you see many of the dogs that we like to see, including Zamb Wienerau. Zamb was a dog who had social aggression and absolute confidence in work and passed it on. Too much Zamb can cause too much hecticness and over the top energy level as well as lots of vocalization. The reason I like this match is because I am confidant that Vogue can carry through the good work, but needs some larger bone as improvement. Many times dogs coming down through Quartz, lack a slightly in bone and male head size. This is what I want to add first. Once I see how that goes then we will go to some line breeding on some of the other work producing males. Although it's all still on the drawing board! lol
Who is Miro, that you mentioned Randy?
Thanks for your input!
Debby
 

The offspring from Pele that Tracy produced can be a little raw too. Anyone remember Xandor vom Bullinger? I don't know how Mary trained this dog. He was a little sharp. That may be an understatement. I thought for sure he was going to eat her. I knew he would eat me.

As I recall he came to her after he didn't work out with a family. They probably were very passive with him and didn't want to correct him. That may have been a good thing. He was one tough hombre. Mary worked and worked him and looked like she may have him under control. He was on the edge it looked like to me. I eard he was hit by a car and it settled him a little. He may have met his match with an automobile. I heard it settled him a little. 

She had him trained to beat the band and he had a hair trigger. I'll never forget the sieger show in Canada where he did his long bite. Super fast, super hard. He outed and sat there in front of the helper and just loaded. You could just see the anticipation building and building. One slight move and he was gonna unload in a pile of German Shepherd fury. It could get ugly.

Mary hooked him up and went to take him away. He wasn't finished. Just one leap and a snap you could hear in the next county about 1/4" from the helpers face,,,just to let him know he got away this day but there would be another.

Too much Zamb can cause too much hecticness and over the top energy level as well as lots of vocalization.


I know that my own dog is linebred Zamb 3-3, is clear-headed and in no way hectic--has absolute driver-containment/obedience, and civil agression--however, like may Ursus young sons, he used to have his own agenda in his early training--but very easy to read. I like a somewhat stubborn, hard-headed, thinking dog--keeps me on my toes.
 

Homar's mother line goes back to Valium, look for the brothers Valium and Volvoro Arminius they were excellent working dogs with very strong character going back to Dingo through his son Dando aus Nordrheinland.
My male who sired 2 of my foundation bitches is line bred 5-5 on Dando, I'm sure that is where his character came from and his ability to pass it on to his progeny and they in turn also pass it on. I don't personally know of Homars character and working ability or his ability to pass it on but if he has it I would bet I know where it came from.

Louise I would not say that 3/3 is too much Zamb.
I love your boy and his lines also!
Debby

Hillo was 5,5-5 on Xaver von Arminus who was a Lasso son and reknown for his er... explosive defense. Certainly not the only reason with Cello in the mix as well but I'm sure it didn't do any harm.

AandA

BTW Kaluv, Vogue's sire, is a fantastic representative of Gucci and has carried on that excellent work ethic of his sire. His work is awesome. He was also trained by the same trainer that is finishing Vogue! Russ and Lida highly recommended this traininer and I am confidant that they will bring her to her full potential.
Randy,
since you haven't answered, I went through all the Miro's and found the one you are speaking of! http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=684778 
WOW! Fantastic!!! Where did he get that head!!?? I'm betting Ursus and maybe some of the other mother lines. GREAT pigment!! Definately on the list for sure!!
Still would like to hear what you think of Homar? If you need to PM or email, or call.... feel free!
Debby