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by susie on 27 December 2016 - 20:12
Otherwise I am with you about the "clean" house...
During the last year I made the experience that without dog I only need 1/4 of the time for cleaning the house...

by mrdarcy on 27 December 2016 - 20:12
Susie...on previous post

by susie on 27 December 2016 - 20:12

by Sunsilver on 27 December 2016 - 21:12
Susie, no, the conformation is just waaaay too different. Compare the two above ASL dogs with you average German SL and you will see what I mean.
There are a few very rare exceptions, like AKC judge Dan Smith's VA2 Jim v. Fiemereck, Can. Select/U.S. Ch./ Sch3
One of the dogs I mentioned above, Madeb's Fury, is half-German SL, and has a Canadian championship, but doesn't have enough angulation to win in specialty shows. He's never been shown in SV-type shows. And any points won there wouldn't count in the CKC, or vica versa.
I own an ASL/GSL cross, and I learned very quickly that SHE would never win in the CKC show ring, either. I wasn't interested in the SV style of shows at the time, and due to her faded pigment, she probably wouldn't have done well there.
Susie, Tim-Tams are a chocolate coated biscuit that comes from Australia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Tam

by Hundmutter on 27 December 2016 - 21:12
@Susie : That, if I may say so, is a clever (almost a Politician's) answer; but still leaves me wondering if any one of your own dogs met ALL the criteria for the breed - or, [if e.g. pre 'elbows'] as far as fitting every point on your list, at it's time ! I would love to put up my old bitch Vida on here, as for conformational type I think she was pretty cool, and for personality she was the nearest I had so far to a 'dog of my lifetime'; but I know the things one could not see from her photo: her high HipScore, her initial nervousness towards strange people & dogs, her unscored elbows (I think they were fine, but it was before we started Xraying them too, so cannot prove it), and her lack of participation/grading in Schutzhund, and wonder if they would have 'outweighed' her Good Citizen award, her Obedience Competition placings, her Conformation Show wins, her sympathetic handling of sheep ... There really is no such thing as the 'perfect' dog !
by vk4gsd on 27 December 2016 - 21:12
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Tam

by susie on 27 December 2016 - 22:12
Hundmutter, all of my dogs had faults ( either healthwise or temperamentwise ) - not the best hips, allergies, bloat, too aggressive, too aloof, not smart enough - the whole scale, none of them "perfect"...
but all of them able to protect, to do sport ( due to personal problems not the last one ), to be companions.
I am very picky about the dogs I raise, I know there is no "perfect" dog, I always try to find parent dogs/ancestors as perfect as possible, looking for pups I like - that´s the genetic foundation, everything else I either try to develop or to suppress, the result have been almost similar dogs, in character and in conformation, all of them within the written standard, worth the food, my love, and my respect ( that´s wrong, one female was too social, too friendly, but I kept her because I am not good in selling dogs, and this female perfectly "raised" my son, she became "his" dog ).
I don´t like "pets", I am not willing to buy food for couch potatoes, for me a dog has to be able to defend me and my property, able to follow me almost everywhere, but I know it´s not only nature, but nurture, too ( and I am willing to work for it ) .

by Jenni78 on 27 December 2016 - 22:12
I'm with Pete. If I had a magic wand, I'd focus on cleaning the house. I don't think it's that hard to find good dogs. It's hard to find good dogs _CHEAPLY_, and it's hard to find good dogs without a certain level of experience in where to look.
V Madox von der Emsaue
This dog is better than a sharp stick in the eye.

by Sunsilver on 27 December 2016 - 22:12
Forgot to mention although Fury doesn't have any titles other than the a temperament test, he is very protective of his property and humans!

by susie on 27 December 2016 - 22:12
A Ghandi son, great structure, very fast learner, very aggressive when in need, but controlled in society, able to play like a puppy, only listened to me and my son ( 10 years old when the pup was born ).
The smartest dog I ever owned - not the best hips though ( noch zugelassen ). I really loved him, easy going, 100% trustworthy, broke his leg playing ball in a rabbit hole.
Continued to train him half a year later because he was made to work. Had to put him down 2 years later ( SchH2, V rated, breed surveyed ) - he wasn´t able to move without drugs any more , too much arthrose because of the broken leg and all the metal inside - a gentle fighter, he didn´t care about sleeves, he was real but controllable, a pup at home.
Yeah, maybe the most perfect dog I ever owned.
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