$100K Clone Mutt - Page 3

Susie, have you ever read the studies done on rats and mazes? When you see a field trial pointer point, how do you suppose the point is passed on generation after generation? And then concurrently lost, generation after generation in untested pet pointers? I believe that muscle memory becomes genetically stamped into the dna of animals...watch a herd of wildebeast up close, so you can hear all the simultainious grunts as they take one step, grunt and pause, repeat...the entire herd is doing the same thing as though the herd is a single mind with hundreds of legs.

I think we are talking about different things - there are genetically ancored behaviors of different breeds, even within lines of breeds, but there is no possibility to clone any kind of memory of one special creature.

There were studies about identical twins ( clones ) raised in different social surroundings( started around 1875 Francis Galton ). Although equipped with the same genes they developed different, resemblences, sure, but differences even in intelligence and character, too.
Freud ( see diagram below ) was the pioneer of "nature and nurture" - today scientists not even believe in nature/nurture but in the possibility of activating/deactivating parts of alleles, molecules directing the DNA, called Epigenetics.

It´s too difficult for me to translate, maybe you are interested in it http://epigenetics.uni-saarland.de/de/home/ , it´s very logical and convincing.

After all, what I tried to say - it´s not about our DNA only, they are the base, but even the development of clones may differ totally, nurture playing a big role, and as we seem to know now, even the same DNA is able to develop different.

Seems to me like nature doesn´t "like" clones

Joanro,

Susie is right.  You are so far off of the beaten path regarding what cloning does and doesn't do that there is no basis for a reasoned discussion.  Cloning is a duplication of genetic material.  Period.  Enviroment and personal experience will change which genes are expressed.  The easy example of this is cloned Holstein heifers (and bulls) don't even have the same coloration pattern.  Enviromental changes from their (different Surrogate) mothers modifies the expression of the color genes before they are even born.  Won't even get into the differences once they are cognizant and outside the womb. 

You need to educate yourself on this topic before any further discussion can have any worthwhile results. 

Susie, I understand what you are saying. But comparing human identicle twin development with dogs is not equal....humans are far too complex compared to an animal such as a dog. There is culture, language, for example to influence human " clones'" development.
It's human nature to push the envelope...humans don't need to be in outerspace either, but because we can, we will.

BZCZ, you are entited to you opinion, and back at you.....take your own advice. Narrow minds are never very "worthwhile" ;-)

Joanro,

Problem is before we get to opinions we have to have a baseline of facts.  Your facts fly in the face of the science and what is established as fact already.  In order to continue this discusion of "opinions" I'd have to suspend reality.  There is nothing inside the embryonic cell that transfers learned behavior from the cloned animal to the clone.  In other words, all that information that is packed into a lifetime of experience and stored inside the brain, can't be resized into a single cell and a single cell can't be repurposed to act as an entire brain.

Until we are all on the same page with those basic facts, this becomes a childs discussion of "what if?".

bzcz, who said any thing about "lifetime of experiences"? You are correct on one level, that the color of bovine is variable when cloning. But, the the Behavior of the donor is the reason the PBR stock contractors clone "outstanding buckers", to replicate the same bucking style of the donor. Color is meaningless, as these guys goals go deeper than the spots on the hide. So, regardless of your arguement, they are successful in their cloning program and are just as successful in breeding outstanding buckers from the daughters of great bucking bulls. Because bucking is genetic, and that is their goal, to produce genetic buckers, not buckers which have been "taught" to buck.
So, I suppose the reason for cloning the sniffer dogs is not feasable, according to bzcz. Oh well.

The human my be more "complex" than the dog ( although during my life I met a lot of people who definitely are not...), but "we" are mammals, too.
Our motivation :
#1 survival ( we don´t hunt any more, we work for our money - this money we spend for food and our home/cave )
#2 reproduction ( I love you=I want to reproduce )
#3 social safety ( our modern kind of "pack order" )
98% of the DNA in swine and human are the same.
 

Btw, bzcz, "what if?" was pondered many years ago by guys with a vision that you appearant can't comprehend. They followed through with those "what if?" and got their answers in one cloned bull after another that buck like their doners.....over and over again. Guess they know what cloning can do.

I don´t think they are cloning "bucking" but temperament and drives, showing in bucking ( a dog will bite, a bull will buck, a deer will run ).