cattle prod - Page 3

"Not ignorant, emotional, yes, if you need a cattle prod to train a GSD, something is wrong"

Did you read what I posted?  It wasnt a typical case, you might come across a dog like this once in a lifetime if that. He has many pups on the ground many of which show similar hardness and drive.

 

Hey vk4 when you actually do some training of any note I may give you a small facet of my attention. Go out and train your dog and maybe you will learn a thing or two.  When you have some decent video of some control work and protection we can talk, until then its just a waste of time.

 

Fyi Club Membership is up this year...again...lol.

this post is no joke it makes me sick why is it done to be on podium . many dogs go thru alot for their handlers to be there .

In over a decade I've seen 1 person use it on one single day. They were morons and have never done crap in any sport. 1 out of thousands. Many whom have been on a podioums and are very successful and have never seen a prod on on a training field let alone use one.

Some of you really need to get out and do something before you type anymore. Its like you exist to sit over a big pot with a big stick.

While I have no problem with using a prong or an Electric collar, I have a huge problem using certain tools for the sake of points that have ZERO impact in the REAL world of every day life

I have never seen nor heard about anyone using a cattle prod on a dog...I knew it was happening many years a go, before E collars became popular, but, if it is true, I have no words to describe what people will lower themselves to in order to collect a few points that have no meaning and proper decorum prevents me from describing where I would put that tool, but, suffice to say, I would want it turned on when it happened.

 

 

FWIW the dog I saw it used on is not a "podium dog", nor is the owner/trainer training for national/int'l IPO competition.  NOT defending the use, but just saying, in my experience seeing it used, it had nothing to do with points or placements.  I'm not sure the dog is even titled in Schutzhund or whether the owner aspires him to be.  I think it's more likely that some people think their dog is really badass or the tool is really badass.  The way I saw it used, even as a newbie I could think of half a dozen other things to try with that particular dog that may help achieve the same goal for that training session, but you know what they say about the only thing two trainers agree on is that the third trainer is wrong. I believe it was being used to provoke more real aggression and fight from an extremely strong dog (both physically and mentally) that wasn't giving the helper the time of day because he didn't see the helper as a threat and wasn't going to waste his time and energy showing some good aggressive guarding just to play around with a sleeve.  Fine, I like that kind of dog but IMO it's the *helper's* job to push the dog's buttons and bring out the desired level of aggression and fight with his presence and how the dog is being worked, not just pop the dog with a cattle prod.

Come near my dog with one and find it up your....yeah.

I've seen it done too. On training field. Two different clubs. Made me sick. :-( 

Used it yrs ago on 2 different dogs. Very..powerful dogs...not for the faint of heart....wouldn't do it again

Haz i think yr response is what i said you or someone like you would say before you even said it...genius.

 

 

Genius would be putting down your stick, stepping and away from the pot, and going to actually train your dog.

IMO it is abuse plain and simple. Anyone who supports/defends it can try to dress it up anyway they like - it doeesn't change the fact.

I remember a passionate discussion about how e-collars might be banned and certain people were screaming about their liberty to choose to use what they liked etc. To keep pushing the envelope and crossing the line will cause many people (those who don't perceive the virtue of abusive 'training' and who are 'emotional') to support or even call for such bans. In my world it's crossing the line no matter why it was used. This kind of activity could well bring about the demise of the 'sport' entirely, and I would have little sympathy for those who contributed to it.  

zdog I don't see why you see this as 'stirring the pot'....it is a post about something that does occur obviously...smiley has seen it twice at two different clubs. I had not previously heard of this.