The Story of Indiana - Slideshow - Page 3

Can't see you ever resting your case, Jantie. Why bring up such old news? Just to have an argument? To revela some unknown truth? Large breed dogs can get hip displasia, WE ALREADY KNOW.

Quote Jantie <> Jantie, I do apologize.You did use the word "thousands", not "millions"! Having said that I do have a serious problem with you calling me a liar! I do not lie and I consider myself honest. In addition, I do not post if I have no or limited knowledge (or no interest) regarding a matter. You have a way of distorting facts. I am not getting into your HD statistics, because it has been done by other people ad nauseum already! In addition, I repeat that I advise anybody to visit and register on the German board dsh-biz.de. After reading this, it is quite obvious what the general consensus in Germany is regarding this matter. Jantie, fact is that you bought a puppy from a well-known kennel which turned out to have unilateral CHD. Question is why it was not found out sooner if it was so severe and painful. I had a female in 1990 with a severe case and I found out at 6 months of age. Fact is that a litter brother also had severe CHD and was euthanized. Out of seven puppies, there are also 2 females with a1 hips. The rest is not x-rayed, but that does not mean that they are dysplastic.They might just be pets for people who do not screen for that. That is an option! Fact is that the owner of the other dysplastic male received a replacement from the breeder without any problems! Fact is that you are largely ignored by the SV and most of the people in Germany! I bet that the supporting emails you claim to have received were before you started your war. Yes, you would get one from me as well, if you inquired about my warranties regarding CHD and ED. Fact is that you did not win your court case against the breeder. You did refuse a refund, did you not? Fact is that you are under a gag order not to mention the breeder by name and slander him. Jantie, your internet vendetta is coming pretty close to violating this court order. Maybe, this is the reason why you largely ignore to answer questions which do not fit into your scheme. People on the German board are still waiting for answers from you after months. Instead, you litter the thread with new tirades. ....continued

.... You taunted us here on this board with Indiana and his suffering for months. People first felt very sorry for you - myself included. If I remember correctly, I even posted one time to this fact that you have the right to put your own dog to sleep if he is suffering so terribly. I did change my mind when I saw that x-ray, realized it was unilateral and did not look too different than a female which I took back. She still lives a happy painfree live now. Somebody here offered you repeatedly to take Indiana in, have a unilateral hip replacement done and even offered to pay the shipping expenses! No, that did not serve your purpose! The dog had to die to turn him into a tragic figure which you can use to taunt everybody. I was also shocked that you euthanized your dog after months of tirades here. Yes, you stated that you yourself "transported him from life to death" by pushing the plunger in. That in itself is morbid and would be against the law in the U.S. Back then, we questioned the legality of that in Belgium! Further, you could not rest and even had him posted, cut up! What the purpose of that was I could never understand! Now you give the impression that over half of our dogs have unsound hips! That goes against every statistic I have seen (SV, OFA, PennHip etc.). Correct me if I am wrong: Didn't you at one time state a higher incidence? Boy, that new university study from Germany that 80% (!!!!) of hip dysplasia is due to an environmental cause must really be damaging for your stats. And no, I have absolutely no (public) opinion on that study, I am just mentioning that here. So, don't shoot the messenger! I will continue to breed with my a1 or a2 animals and would even consider the occasional a3 dog (provided he has a good track record - see Jeck vom Noricum), and I still consider myself to be a responsible breeder. And you Jantie, would do us all a favor if you stop this now. You have tried to slander the reputation of one of the most wellknown breeders, a man who has truly contributed to his part in our breed and needs to be praised for that (just look at Uran, Palme, Yago, Marit etc., just to name a few).The SV would not entertain that thought, so now you are slandering the SV and our breed in general. Jantie, we as breeders, exhibitors, dog sport enthusiasts or simply just GSD lovers do not want to hear that anymore. Please stop!!!!!!! @all discerning and opinion-seeking members: Not everything here is deleted. Please check the comments under 'Indiana vom Wildsteiger Land'!. Also, the hip x-ray and grizzly autopsie photo(s) might still be available in the Gallery! Chris

I believe the xray has been deleted and I'm happy to say I did not know about the postmortem slideshow. I don't read anything on his site, never have.

I just wrote a lengthy post to this thread, but it seems to have evaporated into cyberspace. (Server time-out?) Oh well. No time to re-do it now. SS

I was either not on this board for the earlier posts on this issue, or too busy at work to monitor the board. I'm laid off now, so that's why I have the time to post so muc. Still, I don't have time today to go back and research the whole issue. Thus I am not qualified to make a broad judgement about the comments of some of the people who did monitor the threads. For that I apologize. I have received a LOT of mail about my comments. I know the SV system is far from perfect, but it is the best we have at this point, and I have more faith in it than a lot of people because I personally am seeing a much lower incidence in CHD in the dogs I own, breed, and know. Being both ADHS and dyslexic with numbers (a frustrating learning disability which categorically ELIMINATED any aspirations of a career in veterinary medicine early in my time at Univ. of CA, Davis...) so I am never going to be able to argue the statistic presented by either side of the arguments. Sorry, but I cannot even balance a checkbook. I was simply touched by the presentation itself. It is beautiful and moving. I passed it on to some VMTH faculty to sort out the rest and hopefully give me the "short version" of their opinions if I am lucky. I will add that were Indiana my dog, and I had the apparently considerable financial resources that Jantie obviously had/has, I would very probably have opted for a bilateral hip replacement for my beloved dog. The longterm prognosis for that procedure is almost invariably very good these days when performed at a major teaching hospital by top veterinary orthopaedic specialists. My Onyx had a4 hips. He never pesented with any obvious discomfort, although as he progressed in the intense training regime he needed to compete at the level he did his one "good" hip deteriorated in response to favoring the bad one. He was arthritic after about age 10, but his arthritis was managed easily with anti-inflammatory medication and organic joint lubrication supplements. Had he demonstrated the kind of pain that Jantie describes in Indiana he would have found himself in the UCD VMTH sterile surgical suite within hours. I have little doubt he would have enjoyed an excellent recovery after a carefully designed and executed rehab program, carried out by yours truly with regular monitoring by university faculty and staff. The question of my dog's compliance with activity restrictions early on, and physical therapy as his recovery progressed... would NOT have been a question. He was a TRAINED DOG. He MUST comply. I do realize that not every dog owner has the time and patience to devote to carrying out the rehab necessary after a serious orthopadic surgery, I am not "every dog owner," and hip replacemtn surgery, now performed with amazingly accurate robotics on dogs AND humans (thanks to Dr. Hap Paul, God rest his soul) is not "any procedure." I have brought a dog with a badly herniated disk that had to have the disks fused (he presented at the UCD emergency clinic partially paralized after a freak accident in a trial) through a comprehensive rehabilitation to a complete recovery. It was a lot of work and the program decisions the doctors and I came up with required regular, careful "fine-tuning" (I swam him for months) but the results were very, very good. Its as if the dogs understand the gravity of the situation and adjust their temperament to the level of compliance necessary for their recovery... unlike race horses, who often have a rough time coming out of anesthesia and shatter whatever reconstruction has been performed within hours of surgery... To be continued...

As for you Blitzen, I apologise for promising to choke you. Soem of your recent posts have been so negative/sarcastic I just couldn't help myself. Chalk it up to hot flashes and sleepless nights, but I beg you to try to watch your sharp responses along with me. This said, I will excuse myself from this thread for the rest of the day. I have to try to get some decent pix of my 11 week old monster-puppies-from-hell today now that the snow has finally stopped falling and the sun is coming out. Like letting flies out of a jar... LOL I wish my old Nikon SLR with the 1/8000th sec. capability wasn't broken. :-( Its all yours, sportsfriends... Fire away. Shelley Strohl

I will try to do better from now on. I didn realize I was sarcastic and negative and I apologize to all.

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