Is there any American-line GSD breeders here. For example Woodside kennel. - Page 3

yes they are very beautiful

 Greetings Natascha,
I am sorry to hear you seem to have so much hatred for American dogs and their people.
Have you ever owned one?  Have you ever watched them work?  

The problem you see is that there are good and bad on both sides.  Not all American dogs are ideal, 
that is for sure.  There are things we like a great deal about the American side , like the movement, the elegance...there are things we don't care for, and try to breed away from.

There are things about some of the German bred showline dogs that are not ideal.  That is also a known.
We admire a great many things about the German dogs, type, trainability, bone, etc.
There are things we don't care for, that are faulty, as in the American dogs, that we stay away from or try to breed away from.  

We own and love both.    
 
Please Natascha, before you condemn all American Dogs and their breeders /owners, consider you may not have the whole picture.  We face the same thing in this country with people's prejudice towards the German  dogs..and this makes me crazy!!     We have found ourselves defending German dogs many times to people who will not hear or see them and what wonderful qualities they have..  The same is true with your blanket description of the American dogs.  Until you have seen all of them, met all of them, please do not speak so harshly of the whole group...people or dogs.   You might find that your ideas and mine are not so different , afterall.  :-)

We promote GOOD DOGS, regardless of the side of the world that they come from.
We try to get people to see , before they judge/ condemn.   Whether they dislike the American lines or the German lines.. it is amazing how much error there is in the information out there about either side!

Best regards
Kathy
www.victorygermanshepherds.com

Kathy how old is Nitro

i'm sure that there are numerous kennels that breed the "AMERICAN TYPE",who are just as dedicated to what they produce as any other (working,show) kennel......and i'll assume that if a person desires a dog of the "AMERICAN TYPE",a little research will get that person the dog they desire.i can drive my MONTE CARLO to talledega racetrack,put on a bunch of sponser stickers and such....but i'm sure it wouldn't be able to handle the extremes of the track,i'v owned the american type dog before,and i enjoyed him for what he was....but as a SPORT PROSPECT,he had nothing in his GEAR BAG,no drive,soft temprement,shallow nerves(for serious work) but a good all around pet none the less,and if all i needed from his was a neighborhood walk on lead or to chase a casual tennis ball,then he was up to the task.my first exposure to GSD'S was the typical "DOG SHOW" it was strange to me even then how the dogs were propelling themselves along,hocks on the ground,front legs flying crazy,and people were enjoying this...seemed a bit perverted to me!it looked to me as if the dogs were saying"HEY BUDDY,DROP THAT LEAD AND SHOW ME THE DOOR AND I'M OUTTA HERE",maybe it was total coincidence that i saw very few(if any) unmistakely strong tempremented dogs...i can say that many seemed to be stable enough to handle the exams...not much to ask,and it never really impressed me,and in that respect,i'd never own another dog of the(traditional) american type...it would seem to me that when considering this type dog,the CADILLAC mentality prevails..but i;m not seeing how"big,cow-hocked,east/west fronts,hock walking,faded colors is an asset to anyone....the "SPORT DOG" may not be the dog for everyone,but there will always be one in my yard.

I bought several dogs from Woodside kennels in the past. If you are considering this kennel, you really need reserarch carefully. Pay close attention to credit card fraud, travel agency scams and criminal convictions.

best,
Rik

Previous post "The kennel you mentioned in the title (Woodside Kennels) has some nice looking dogs."

I think I just threw up in my mouth... sort of like saying the muffin top at Walmart with spandex is HOT.

I for sure haven't given any bad or false information! The German Shepherd has a standard and the American Line is far far away from that. Also if people think they own a German Shepherd but is is the American Line how can you even sell at as a German Shepherd? I have had a lot of experience with both of the lines and what I saw was really sad! I also have personally worked with the Woodside Kennel and what I saw there I better don't get into that! In my eyes the AKC and CKC should get shut down because it is not right what they are doing with the true German Shepherd! I saw dogs who couldn't walk, bad temperaments and so on. Of course there are things in the German Line what are not a 100% either. At least the German Shepherd has to do all the tests and titles before they are allowed to breed! Never said that I hate the american breeders I just say what I think and it is all based on personall experience!

Do your homework. Don't believe me or anyone else on this board. Go see for yourself. There are crackpots out there on both sides. They usually have very limited experience, post horrible tales and don't sign there names.
There are some very good things about both the German and American dogs and their systems. Regardless of which you decide on make sure you know the background of the bloodline as there can be vast differences within the German or American lines. Go to an American Specialty show (all breed shows have limited entries) and go to a German conformation show.
There are people who have had bad experiences with both. That does not, however, indicate that the whole line is bad.

Feel free to email me privately anytime.

Ken

I would agree with you on that one @Ken.

Natascha

Hello Ken, you are fighting an uphill battle here. Most of these folks actually own and work GSD in Sch., Leo and SAR, etc. They are, for the most part interested in a GSD that performs and they know it when they see it.

When speaking of the Am. Show Shepherd, it is as a breed and the direction taken by the GSDCA in preserving the integrity of the GSD as a working breed. Not of the few individuals in that (or any organization) who seek to do what is correct.

I do know of you for many years and met you many years ago at a National, I think Houston. I do think that you have a good reputation in what you do.

But the Am. Shepherd as a breed, is not a working dog It has not been bred so for generations, does not require any demonstration of character to receive highest awards and even the most basic needs for health, such as h/e certification are not a requirement.

Some are beautiful animals (eye of the beholder), but as a breed, they are not GSD suitable for service to man.

best,
Rick Atchley