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by AmbiiGSD on 27 September 2009 - 16:09
by EKvonEarnhardt on 28 September 2009 - 00:09
My thought on the vet as I was reading the OP Could it be that both vets said prozac due to what the owners were telling them?
I know parents that don't want to deal with their children (ie mouths and high active levels) They tell the DR that they can not handle the stress and so. What does the DR do? prescribe drugs. If they would go to a shrink then classes and time would be required from the parents. Most parents are not will to invest the time and effort -thus they go to the DR for drugs.
So one must ask DID the owners look in to a trainer? Are they willing to put fourth the effort of training and exercise? If there is no physical problem (ie x-rays taken) then why is the DR invovled? Again I would believe it has to with the owners as why the DR suggested it.
Personaly I would want the dog back as it seems the dog/puppy is not getting what it needs from this owner.
EK
I know parents that don't want to deal with their children (ie mouths and high active levels) They tell the DR that they can not handle the stress and so. What does the DR do? prescribe drugs. If they would go to a shrink then classes and time would be required from the parents. Most parents are not will to invest the time and effort -thus they go to the DR for drugs.
So one must ask DID the owners look in to a trainer? Are they willing to put fourth the effort of training and exercise? If there is no physical problem (ie x-rays taken) then why is the DR invovled? Again I would believe it has to with the owners as why the DR suggested it.
Personaly I would want the dog back as it seems the dog/puppy is not getting what it needs from this owner.
EK
by Franquie on 28 September 2009 - 01:09
by wesenhund on 28 September 2009 - 05:09
Thanks again for the advice, EKvonEarnhardt they have got a trainer coming today to give them one on one training and they are then going to go to ob classes, they are more then willing to do whatever it takes to get her right, money time ect, hopefully with more exercise plus training and some of the ideas in this forum will help, she is a lovely bitch and the owners were very distressed about what is happening, i am not sure what they told the vets but the first vet didnt even do a complete check on teh pup, not even her temperature, very slack in my book, she is on antibiotics as she is licking around her vulva making the skin go like elephant skin, i still think there is an infection of yes she may be coming into season, but they go the message load and clear re prozac
by AmbiiGSD on 28 September 2009 - 10:09
I'm really glad I am not as short sighted as my specs make me out to be.
Blame the owners, it's always the owners fault. O.o
Google is your friend, use it and start searching! or this will become yet another problem swept under the carpet.
Blame the owners, it's always the owners fault. O.o
Google is your friend, use it and start searching! or this will become yet another problem swept under the carpet.
by tigermouse on 28 September 2009 - 10:09
It might be worth trying a DAP collar or spray .
http://www.doggiesolutions.co.uk/d-a-p-dog-appeasing-pheromone-497-0.html
It will help especially if the dog is highly strung / stressed.
Can't do any harm and much better for her than Prozac.
Kind regards,
Tracie.
http://www.doggiesolutions.co.uk/d-a-p-dog-appeasing-pheromone-497-0.html
It will help especially if the dog is highly strung / stressed.
Can't do any harm and much better for her than Prozac.
Kind regards,
Tracie.
by DDR-DSH on 28 September 2009 - 10:09
Of course! The e-collar!!! Brilliant!
by tigermouse on 28 September 2009 - 11:09
READ THE LINK?!!!!
read things properly before commenting!!!
read things properly before commenting!!!
by tigermouse on 28 September 2009 - 11:09
DAP
Promote the feeling of safety and reassurance for your dog
This is a new product to the market place. In mammals, all lactating females release a substance which science calls an "appeasing" pheromone. The function of this pheromone is to provide a feeling of comfort, safety and reassurance to the young. A dogs "appeasing" pheromones are secreted by the bitch 3 to 5 days after the puppies birth.
The environment we live in today is full of noises and smells that can be disturbing to some dogs who share our homes. It is now appreciated that anxiety is a real and debilitating condition for our dogs as well as for us. One of the most fascinating and ground-breaking developments to materialise against the stress and phobias experienced by our dogs is the identification and use of pheromone therapy.
Stressed and anxious dogs
A team of French scientists has managed to produce a synthetic version of this dog appeasement pheromone and this has now been launched in the UK as the Dog Appeasing Pheromone (DAP) Diffuser. Tests and trials have been going on for the last two years to assess the products value in the treatment of stressed and anxious dogs, and these have shown that by releasing this familiar signal to the dog, the DAP Diffuser can be very effective in many areas of dog behaviour therapy by making it feel less anxious, calmer and safer. These include destructiveness, vocalisation and house soiling brought on by stress, nervousness or anxiousness.
The DAP Diffuser
The DAP Diffuser works like a plug in air freshener, continuously releasing the odourless natural pheromone into the dogs environment, helping to make it feel safe and calm. The DAP Diffuser is a natural solution, there is no sedative effect and the dogs ability to interact and play is maintained.
A lot of people have dogs who are frightened of fireworks, and it is very distressing for owners to see their beloved friends cowering or shivering in a corner during this season, which seems to get longer each year. The only solution for many is sedatives. This is only a short term solution and is not good long term for the dog.
The DAP Natural Spray
The Natural Spray has exactly the same effect on your dog as the DAP Diffuser, but does not require a mains electricity supply. Ideal for using in the car, can help with travel stress and car sickness.
Simply spray 8 to 10 pumps of D.A.P. 15 minutes prior to expected effects and before your dog is introduced into the environment (car, carrier, Kennel etc...). Effects should last approximately 1 1/2 to 2 hours, although each animal will respond differently. Renew application after this time if you notice a reduced effect.
D.A.P. Spray can be sprayed directly on bedding, inside crates, indoor kennels, or in the car. D.A.P. Spray should not be directly sprayed on animals or near an animals face.
Promote the feeling of safety and reassurance for your dog
This is a new product to the market place. In mammals, all lactating females release a substance which science calls an "appeasing" pheromone. The function of this pheromone is to provide a feeling of comfort, safety and reassurance to the young. A dogs "appeasing" pheromones are secreted by the bitch 3 to 5 days after the puppies birth.
The environment we live in today is full of noises and smells that can be disturbing to some dogs who share our homes. It is now appreciated that anxiety is a real and debilitating condition for our dogs as well as for us. One of the most fascinating and ground-breaking developments to materialise against the stress and phobias experienced by our dogs is the identification and use of pheromone therapy.
Stressed and anxious dogs
A team of French scientists has managed to produce a synthetic version of this dog appeasement pheromone and this has now been launched in the UK as the Dog Appeasing Pheromone (DAP) Diffuser. Tests and trials have been going on for the last two years to assess the products value in the treatment of stressed and anxious dogs, and these have shown that by releasing this familiar signal to the dog, the DAP Diffuser can be very effective in many areas of dog behaviour therapy by making it feel less anxious, calmer and safer. These include destructiveness, vocalisation and house soiling brought on by stress, nervousness or anxiousness.
The DAP Diffuser
The DAP Diffuser works like a plug in air freshener, continuously releasing the odourless natural pheromone into the dogs environment, helping to make it feel safe and calm. The DAP Diffuser is a natural solution, there is no sedative effect and the dogs ability to interact and play is maintained.
A lot of people have dogs who are frightened of fireworks, and it is very distressing for owners to see their beloved friends cowering or shivering in a corner during this season, which seems to get longer each year. The only solution for many is sedatives. This is only a short term solution and is not good long term for the dog.
The DAP Natural Spray
The Natural Spray has exactly the same effect on your dog as the DAP Diffuser, but does not require a mains electricity supply. Ideal for using in the car, can help with travel stress and car sickness.
Simply spray 8 to 10 pumps of D.A.P. 15 minutes prior to expected effects and before your dog is introduced into the environment (car, carrier, Kennel etc...). Effects should last approximately 1 1/2 to 2 hours, although each animal will respond differently. Renew application after this time if you notice a reduced effect.
D.A.P. Spray can be sprayed directly on bedding, inside crates, indoor kennels, or in the car. D.A.P. Spray should not be directly sprayed on animals or near an animals face.
by EKvonEarnhardt on 28 September 2009 - 19:09
AMBI Well, since the the breeder is here talking about the puppy and has stated that the other litter mates are fine. The vets are saying prozac.... hum..... there is a piece of the puzzle missing that would be the OWNERS!
Half the time it is the owners and not the breeders! owners think breeders should bend over backwards for them, hand them everything for free , and then fix what they duck up. I am not only talking about my personal but other breeders I talk to on regular basis that tell the stories also, from common mistakes to the plain ask dumb!
For every breeder story there is 3 owners stories! do the math 1 breeder and a litter of ? that mean ? owners. Owners out weigh the breeder no matter how you look at it.
WessenHund I am glad to hear that the owners are getting up with a trainer. I hope this all works out for the puppies sake. I am not a fan of drugs for my family so prozac would not be a option for me personaly. AND yes, the first vet was in the wrong for not doing proper testing. I would be looking for another vet after that.
EK
Half the time it is the owners and not the breeders! owners think breeders should bend over backwards for them, hand them everything for free , and then fix what they duck up. I am not only talking about my personal but other breeders I talk to on regular basis that tell the stories also, from common mistakes to the plain ask dumb!
For every breeder story there is 3 owners stories! do the math 1 breeder and a litter of ? that mean ? owners. Owners out weigh the breeder no matter how you look at it.
WessenHund I am glad to hear that the owners are getting up with a trainer. I hope this all works out for the puppies sake. I am not a fan of drugs for my family so prozac would not be a option for me personaly. AND yes, the first vet was in the wrong for not doing proper testing. I would be looking for another vet after that.
EK
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