What is Going On!!! - Page 3

I meant, once I had a maiden bitch AI'd before the progesterone tests came in.  I made that mistake only once.  Veronica

I'm wondering why this breeding is so important? I don't expect an answer, as breeders seldom have an answer other than money, and they don't want to admit it. "Should be nice pups" isn't really an answer, as there are plenty of "nice" pups out there. Every breeder thinks they have "nice" pups.  In fact there are way too many "nice" pups out there. So if the dogs can't breed naturally, let's force 'em.

I'm with you Brittany. Just because a dog is titled, doesn't mean it has to be bred. That's a bunch of horseshit. Y'all came down on Brittany like a ton of bricks when she said she might breed Zambi someday. So what's so special about this breeding?

If you have to lose flippin fingers, wrestle,tie up,muzzle up a bitch ,I think you should re-evaluate yourself as a "breeder".  If it's money  and I am sure it is,maybe you should ask for extra time at work or get a second job. NO breeding is WORTH forcing a female to take a male.

$$$$$$$$ is always behind any "forced breeding".....................I mean who is this really for? Is your list of buyers that long?

Are you guys breeding Golden Retrievers here?  I'm talking about high drive working dogs that don't LIKE to stand still.

My bitch is in no way mean or nasty to my male.  He is 10 now though and I'm not going to throw him out in the pen with her so he can try at it for 3 hours and drop dead of heat exhaustion.  She is the type that always has to have a ball in her mouth and be on the move.  I let him in loose with her when she in heat and if she starts to flag, I then grab the leash and clamp her head between my legs.  I don't have any help with breeding so it's just me and them.  Once they are tied, I tie her head tight into a corner and then tie his leash to the fence.  This way I have control of their rear ends and any pulling the bitch may do. 

After about 5 minutes of this, the bitch is ready to get back on to her ball playing and so I really have to get stern with her.  I don't beat her on the head or kick her in the side but she knows that I mean business and she'd better stand.

And yes this litter means alot to me and I've waited awhile for it.  This thread wasn't about whether his friend's dog is breed worthy or not...just what they might be doing wrong.

Are you guys breeding Golden Retrievers here?  I'm talking about high drive working dogs that don't LIKE to stand still.

LOL, this is the second thread a reference has been made to goldens.  cracks me up.

to al the silly people who think that because you have to hold a bitch to breed her, and we only do it for money,,,,grow up.

not every breeder is a puppy mill.  funny this is starting to sound like some of the PETA threads,

peace out,

john

Hey Guys,

Thanks so much for all of your post. And Angelique actually both my dog and my friends dog are in season and they grew up together so they come in together. We both have had the same problem with their first litters. Neither of bitches would stand still. They were both restrained. Not harshly. My female just had her chest held so she wouldn't move. But thanks all.

I suppose only breeders that own both multiple studs and bitches would really know,  but do you have females that prefer one male over another?   One that they will stand for and not another?  Do your bitches more readily accept known males that they may have met previously?

I've only got a young female, and the only male she has access to during a heat cycle is my old neutered male.  But she flags and stands steady for him for two or three days (usually starting day 10).

I'm curious to know if she may only show that behavior for him,  or if it could be expected that she'll stand for other males.  She absolutely will NOT tolerate any mounting outside of her heat cycles, not by any dog.   And she socializes with many.

Very fascinating subject.   I don't think I could force an unwilling or aggressive bitch.   I don't see a problem with guiding a willing dog that just has trouble getting the hang of it though. 

Two words. 

Supervised Breedings.

Muzzle both for safety and two handlers.

One question.

How experienced was the male?  Had he ever been bred or sired a litter before?  Inexperience and overexhuberance could have been an issue but with a supervised breeding at the correct time that shouldn't have been a problem.  Progesterone testing will tell that. 

I agree with MI GSD.  I think the time for breeding was probably missed.

If the stud dog was there days 11/13 and she didn't breed on her last heat until days 17/19 why try on day 11/13 when the bitch may not be ovulating and ready?

We tried day 11 and 12 and 13 because she was flagging and arching her back. She was showing all the signs that she was ready to breed.

I have had females who under no circumstance, would allow a certain male to breed them.  My mother bred Chow Chows when me and my sister were little, we had a female naed Nicky who would not allow any other male but our black boy Max to breed her.  she would fight off another male viciously.  but would stand willingly for Max with no issue's. 

Also, my old SCH3 female Yska, with my "a" litter, she was originally going to be bred to a very nice Fero son named Falk.  well, she would have no part of it, so I took her to a Gucci son and she took to him right off.  I still had to hold her, because once they tied she wanted to jump and run.  both me, my mother and Bill Fleischer held this girl for the breeding.  not because my Yska was stressed, or being aggressive, but because she was so strong and could have easily damaged Baron, them male. She did manage to break my left hand, little fingers knuckle.

I have also seen bitches stand for a nuetered male, but would fight off an intact male.

Jennifer