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by sueincc on 02 September 2009 - 16:09

Prager again, for you to predict doom and gloom and the fall of this country to socialism or Communism because those with more liberal ideals than conservatives are currently in power is simply hysterical histrionics and only wishful thinking on your part. This is more attention than your silly premise deserves and therefore is my last post to you on this subject.

by zdog on 02 September 2009 - 17:09

I don't think ANY of the forms of society can exist on its own. Mainly because humans are involved. Communism won't work in it's pure form because we could never live that way, we're human. Socialism has it's drawbacks, but it also has it's perks. It allows some to live by contributing little to nothing to society itself, a major draw back, but it also tends to let a larger population live a more opportunity. And as long as humans have banded together, there always has been and always should be a little sacrafice for the good of the whole. it's how every good society or organism for that matter works.

Capitalism inspires hard work, innovation, etc. it's great, but also in it's pure form I can promise that most of America would not resemble the power that it was and is. Without a lot of the "redistribuition" of wealth so many like to cry about, we'd all be the dirty and dead china man working on the railroads toiling our lives away till we died for the power barrons that controlled all the money.

There has to be a balance and thus far I think the US has done a decent job of it. I also think programs and policies have been bastardized by the ubiquitous politicians that seem to ruin every society eventually. Many policies no longer serve their purpose, they only serve to make others richer off the backs of others, and that goes for the rich or the poor.

by MaggieMae on 02 September 2009 - 17:09

by Prager on 02 September 2009 - 17:09

Sue,
I am not predicting doom and gloom. All I am saying is that anytime country  reverts to socialism, then there are consequences. This country is turning to socialism right now. That is not a prediction of doom and gloom that is a fact, which you could grasp if you would know what is the definition of socialism. Well I help you out.
Socialism: Is a political system where government controls some or all means of production. With that then comes governmental control of individual freedoms.
    Our government  control of many banks, big part of auto industry, ...it's attempting for control of heath care  is socialism. So I am not predicting anything. I am just describing what is happening here and now. Also every time, 100% of the time with this socialist control comes loss of individual freedom. This is about loss of liberty.
By the way, yours is
typical response of a person without facts.You say: "You are an !@##@*&^%! (What ever) and I am not talking to you any more."
I know that I am miserable creature in eyes of God, you do not have to remind me of that. Instead you should attempt to help me to understand who are you and help me to be a better person. That is what I am trying to do.
Hans(Prager)

by Prager on 02 September 2009 - 17:09

Zdog. I know you mean well. But please keep in mind that every time government takes control, freedom is lost to lesser or greater degree. Again read the constitution. US constitution is about preserving individual liberties. There is nothing about government control of our every day individual decisions and life. The constitution is limiting document set to limit the governments power and setting the government to protect and keep our individual liberties. However that had been peverted, government here is #1 employer in USA . Its power is tremendous . And they want more. It is not about helping people by gov it is about more power. You think Obama cares about your health? He does not even help his relatives in Africa.
Prager (Hans)
http://www.alpinek9.com

by MaggieMae on 02 September 2009 - 17:09

by judron55 on 02 September 2009 - 17:09

Hans...with your definition we have been under a socialist regime for decades...! When hasn't the gov't controlled the people in the US? Throwing around catch words is typical of people not wanting to face the truth! We here in the US are as controlled as any nation. We just pretend that we aren't because we can talk about it! Patriot Act.....bring anything to mind?

ron

by Two Moons on 02 September 2009 - 17:09

Nothing lasts forever,
Just look back through time.
No one is immune.
Change is coming, the when will be a suprise.

by Prager on 02 September 2009 - 17:09

MaggieMae; I agree, I am just hoping that more people will read this and start to think.
Jurdon55; I agree with you. I am not republican. If anything I am libertarian.
By the way I do not see words LIBERTY and FREEDOM as a catch words. I lived without them for more then 2 decades of my life. It is hard to understand or to explain if you do not have the experience. I mean this the best possible way. Not as an insult at all.
Please read this:
http://www.lp.org/platform
Prager(Hans)

by judron55 on 02 September 2009 - 17:09

There you go again Hans....and what President can you name that helped his relatives in a foriegn country? Come on...I'm waiting!

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