If you had a Magic Wand.... - Page 26

No, Chaz, it seems you certainly don't. Hooked on Phonics worked for me.

I absolutely disagree with the common spouted generalizations attributed to the GSD pet owner being made in recent posts. They actually are the same ones being made year after year.

How ridiculous to presume such a sense of superiority and exclusivity for themselves.

The proper temperament GSD is a family dog willing and able to protect. It doesn't take an advanced degree to learn the dog training skills to manage a safe pet. Laziness isn't reserved for pet buyers.

Some people need to get over themselves.

If a breeder thinks a certain pet buyer is incompetent in skills with their flavor of GSD pups, don't sell that pup to that buyer! Who says anyone is forced to be a breeder of any dog?

Stop 🛑 blaming the newbie (clueless) pet buyer for the breeders' choices. It is a complete excuse and not the only one.

Bee tree, I have not a clue to what you are saying. I am talking about breedworthy dogs who may or may not be owned by a pet person. I'm not denigrating pet people, i only balk at PET dogs being bred. Pet dogs may or may not be owned by Pet people. I know a lot of pet people with breedworthy dogs and have bred to them in the past. But I won't breed to a pet dog whether it has titles or doesn't have titles.

What does one mean by pet dog? You could argue every BSP winner is someone's pet.

Is Fero a pet, he wasn't a practical service dog?

If only service dogs are not pets and given nearly all service dogs can not be bred, by policy of a lot of agencies, then there are pretty much no gsd available to breed?

Gustav,

I should have been specific, I suppose, as your post wasn't one of the more recent one's I was referring to, even if your well deserved and earned expertise comes across as superiority at times. 😀 I say that in the nicest way! No doubt you have no desire to waste words on ears that won't hear.

A superior, knowledgeable and experienced breeder should walk the walk with their own stock is my point. They should keep their most superior stock and proof it's breedworthiness. "Instant" breeders who buy titled stock for the market du jour are the bane of the real deal dog trainers/masters.

As a pet GSD owner who will want another... when the time comes, I will want another GSD bred to the standard, health checks and hopefully a legacy of genetics that includes the long lived. Any color and form I find beautiful to look at will be part of the package, but not a deal breaker. I accept other, slight imperfections if the main one's of health and a livable, correct temperament is there. I want a dog that presents as a deterrent, I don't want a lawsuit. That is my magic wand.

Utility extremes, I happily leave for those who walk the walk.

What we all get tired of is the BS talk pretending that walk ---be it breeder, trainer or the coach potato owner.

Pete touches on a good point - IF everybody promoting their favoured version of how to determine a GSD to be breedworthy, by dint of recorded success in training, - whether that happens to be IPO, LE, PPD, KNPV, UK trials awards, or any other test - COULD actually agree with each other, there is still the problem of making it so that nobody (anywhere) breeds any GSDs that are NOT so qualified ... no matter how good the rest of the dogs' certification in terms of health status and confirmed ancestry. If that could ever be achieved, there would STILL be nothing to force the 'greeders', or anyone else, to abide by that.

Or what ? Breed Goldies in GSD colours but call them by some other breed name, to provide for that market of people who still wanted to buy what these absolutist posters call second-rate dogs, unworthy of the name GSD, which should not be bred on ?

I don't know any pet GSD owner who wants or categorizes as, second rate dogs. How wrong, how rude.

No one is saying there is anything wrong with a GSD being a pet. Geez. It's like people intentionally misinterpret and feign offense just to stir the pot.

The trouble is with people *breeding* unsuitable working dogs for the *purpose of creating pets for the pet market*. There is no justification for it; plenty of correct working GSDs can also be kept as pets by well-matched buyers...and they can work, too. There is just no good reason to breed the GSD working ability down so that the most ignorant of the masses can have a dog with pretty colors and pointy ears who is useless for anything but sitting on the couch, afraid of its own shadow, and lacks the general character of the proper GSD.

I would still like a definition of pet.

You didn't care for my pet description? What are you asking for...the pet job description? Mine bring in the newspaper, keep the riff raff away and warm my feet with their furry heads, for starters.