Any news on the Bartmess case? - Page 24

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 You are wrong about me. No it is not the language barrier.:)) Or my lack of knowledge of psychology, which is not that small. It is the perspective which we have. All  believe that their  perspective is the right one.  I believe that too, same as you do.  That is where the "agree to disagree" came from.  However I always consider other's perspective too. It often changes my perspective.
From your perspective, you are right. I can see that and have admitted to that point already. I respect your point  and I do understand it completely. There are different perspectives though and it seems that  it is you who is not willing to see or understand mine.
I guess it boils down to whose perspective is more important from greater point of view. Dogs are mine life, but the world is more then dogs and we live in that world.
I would like to say that I am not discussing this here to change anyone's perspective. For the sake of clarity  ;   I am merely defending mine.

Mine point was best made here by agates1
Please read it.

Fini:)

Prager Hans
P.S. No factual changes were made. Just changes in my spelling.
PH

I agree with Mystere...this is hopefully finished. 

Prager thanks for taking the time to answer everyone's questions and explain your position so patiently.  You are right, on this, we will have to agree to disagree.  

I do have one last question for you.  What about adding a link to her signature box that leads to info regarding her conviction as well as to her latest charges?   

I think none of our opinions are based in our emotions regarding this issue, in fact to the contrary, we all had very logical arguments, regardless of which side of the fence.  None of us on either side of this issue let our emotions about being "right" get the better of us for the most part, either.  For that, I am a little bit proud of all of us, and I think we can all agree that's a good bar to set here on PDB, and a very good thing in general! 

Sueincc....Why should he do that?  If he does that where does it end?  If someone makes a racist comment...should it be noted their signature as well?  What about something one person finds extremely offensive?  How about if we found out a member went to jail for battery?  What about anything else?

I see a lot of emotion being shown in this thread.  I see a lot of Hans & Ace don't agree with us so their morals, etc are wrong. 

No offense, but my question was directed to Hans, not Ace. 

"Why should he do that?"  I think it's pretty clear why I asked.  She has been convicted of abusing German Shepherd Dogs  and has now been arrested for repeating and escalating her offenses, and we are talking specifically about a German Shepherd forum. 

Where does it end?  Silly question.  Obviously it ends with Janice, a convicted animal abuser, unless of course, you see a bunch of convicted and repeat offender animal abusers  popping up sometime in the future.  Frankly I don't think there's too much danger of that.

You are missing the point.  This has nothing to do with objectionable comments, racist or otherwise, it has nothing to do with battery,  it has to do with cruelty to dogs by a member of a dog forum, it's relevant to the forum.   

I see a lot of people who went out of their way to say Hans is a good person, I don't see a lot of questioning of his morals, but of course, you are entitled to your opinion, as am I. 


 

I think that Sueincc has a valid question and I look forward to hearing Hans' response to it. 

I, of course, cannot speak for Hans, but perhaps I could offer some of my own thoughts on the subject. 

A scarlet letter is not necessarily a bad thing so long as its mission is to deter the bearer from bringing harm to others by warning everyone who comes into contact with the her.  In our society, we impose these proverbial scarlet letters on people like child molesters through the use of sex offender registries and other measures.  In Georgia, our legislature is trying to pass into law a harsher DUI law.  If the bill is passed, and you are convicted of a DUI, then for the next 3 years after you get your license back you will have this pink, reflective strip on your license plate.  If an officer sees this pink strip, then he is allowed to pull you over without probable cause to make sure that you havent been drinking.  The point is that we have these "scarlet letters" in society. 

On the other hand, we have the issue of practicality and fairness.  Is it practical for Hans to research everyone, in the interest of fairness, who comes on his forum to make sure they havent been involved in any cases that would warrant that scarlet letter? 

The intersting thing is that while its a very simple proposition, it has complicated and subtle philosophical and sociological undertones that warrant consideration.  I will ponder on this more.

 

Not sure why he would now need to research all his members - out of fairness  to whom - Janice?  Seriously?  

 

No offense, but my question was directed to Hans, not Ace. 

"Why should he do that?"  I think it's pretty clear why I asked.  She has been convicted of abusing German Shepherd Dogs  and has now been arrested for repeating and escalating her offenses, and we are talking specifically about a German Shepherd forum. 

Where does it end?  Silly question.  Obviously it ends with Janice, a convicted animal abuser, unless of course, you see a bunch of convicted and repeat offender animal abusers  popping up sometime in the future.  Frankly I don't think there's too much danger of that.

You are missing the point.  This has nothing to do with objectionable comments, racist or otherwise, it has nothing to do with battery,  it has to do with cruelty to dogs by a member of a dog forum, it's relevant to the forum.   

I see a lot of people who went out of their way to say Hans is a good person, I don't see a lot of questioning of his morals, but of course, you are entitled to your opinion, as am I.

No offense taken.

If it means so much to you, why not go to EVERY GSD forum, join it and make a thread about it?  That way you can say what you did to help "spread the awareness."?  There is nothing stopping you from doing this.  Germanshepherds.com has a forum page which you could post one there.  Working dog forums....etc.

It ends there b/c it makes you satisfied?  I have seen a number of racist, as well as personal attacks on this messageboard and others by members.  Would it be ok for me to ask that those people get a a signature labeling them as such?

A lot of people went out of there way to say Hans is a good persoon?  Where was this?  You said "I don't see ALOT of questioning his morals..."  That right there shows that you do see some.  You just admitted to my "opinion" as you put it.


Like I said, if you feel so strong, why not join every dog forum and meake a thread about Janice?

Lastly, Im sure she won't be back after Sportguy and Slamdunc called her out.  In the end 2 people brought it to the front and no more was heard from her.

But you say dog killing and she shouldn't be on a dog forum.  Hate to bea realistic but there is no way to stop that.
Again why not put something in the signature for those who have DUI's.  Im sure there are people who have been hurt by those with DUI's that want everyone who they talk to on the internet would like for them to know what they did.

Aggates...they have the same thing in Minnesota.  Called Whiskey plates.