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Rahm Emanuel Wants "Compulsory Service" for Your Kids

J.D. Tuccille
Albuquerque Examiner
November 7, 2008

Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama’s choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory Miltary  service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "some Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama’s own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

Rahm Emanuel Wants "Compulsory Service" for Your Kids

J.D. Tuccille
Albuquerque Examiner
November 7, 2008

Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Barack Obama’s choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan: Big Ideas for America, that calls for, among other things, compulsory Miltary  service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "some Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama’s own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration.

 Compulsory service, huh?  Well, my daughter plans on some civic duty helping the disadvantaged tomorrow, in the city where she attends college, even though she voted for McCain.

Emanuel can go pound sand.

And, of course, it has absolutely nothing to do with congressional Democrats looking to confiscate everyones' IRA's and 501k's, and put them under governmental control. 

Mickey, can you provide support for this statement - something from the MSM as opposed to blogs. Also, if you attribute the prior two days market decline of approximately 10% to Obama's election, what is your explanation for the decline of the DJIA from 14K + to the low of 7800+ that we reached  recently?

BTW, here is what neo-con Charles Krauthammer has to say about  Obama:

With him we get a president with the political intelligence of a Bill Clinton harnessed to the steely self-discipline of a Vladimir Putin. (I say this admiringly.) With these qualities, Obama will now bestride the political stage as largely as did Reagan.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110602570.html

Oh, and isn't it ironic, considering Obama's connection to his peeps, that this grand scheme of his is in DIRECT opposition to this little, insignificant part of the Bill of Rights:

The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution officially abolished and continues to prohibit slavery, and with limited exceptions, such as those convicted of a crime, prohibits involuntary servitude. It was adopted on December 6, 1865.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=111&sid=1492825  

So you don't miss the pertinent part:

"What should we be doing to try to find a way to salvage the retirement position of American workers?" said Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, an opponent of the government rescue plan. Congress, he added, "rushed to protect Wall Street in hopes that some benefits would trickle down to workers."

The massive losses have already reopened a bitter and long-running debate about what role _ if any _ the government should play in helping workers save for retirement."

"They are fatally flawed," Teresa Ghilarducci, an economist at the New School for Social Research, said of the tax-advantaged plans. "They're too risky, and it's not good policy to have workers run their own retirement plan. They want government help."

And, KTF, I have as much right as you do to theorize.  If you don't like it, go do some research yourself.  The markets have gone up on news that McCain was closing the gap, and now they're tanking, when traditionally, they should be seeing even a slight bounce.  

 Oh, by the way, I've already mentioned upthread, the republicans were bested by one of the best, if not the best campaigner we've seen in modern political history.

you and KTF may agree that the US is living beyond its meansg

Chisum, are you suggesting that you don't see a problem in this regard? Given the budget deficits that we are running as well as the doubling of the national debt that has occurred over the past eight years, it is difficult to argue that the Bush administration has been other than fiscally profligate. We are now staying afloat courtesy of the Chinese, Japanese and oil producing nations in the Middle East.

Yes, I believe in fiscal discipline; one of Reagan's beliefs which I came around to accepting was that as long as Congress has money to spend, they will always find a way to spend it. So the answer is to close the spigot - which would force Congress to limit expenditures. Reagan was partially right and he did make an effort to cut spending in conjunction with tax cuts despite having to deal with a Democratic Congress.

Bush, OTOH, in his usual half-assed way instituted massive tax cuts and despite having a Republican Congress through most of his two terms increased spending to levels not seen since the Great Society days of LBJ.

And, KTF, I have as much right as you do to theorize.  If you don't like it, go do some research yourself.

Mickey, we all have the right to theorize but in a public forum such as this one might be challenged to provide support or a rationale for theories that one propounds. As a matter of course, I usually google any claim or allegation that I question or am not aware of. But I do seek to rely on credible sources of information.

For example, your statement that the markets went up based on McCain closing the gap is just an opinion. Even experts on the market find it difficult to attribute day to day movements to specific events. The more likely explanation for the bounce we had recently in the DJIA is because the market was severely oversold and typically any severely over-bought or over-sold market has a reaction in the opposite direction.

BTW, you have based your statement on the confiscation of IRAs' and 401Ks' on the testimony of one individual - namely, Teresa Ghilarducci, an economist at the New School for Social Research. I have not seen one iota of support for this approach by anyone in a leadership position in either party. Frankly, if there had been any credibility to any such plan it would have been all over the MSM - or at the least Fox News and the Wall Street Journal.

I spent last night reading every inch of Obama's new website. www.change.gov   and it is now clear our Constitution will be scraped. His speeches now prove other than his official text. Actually he isn't even the President Elect yet, not until the Electoral College meets on December 15.
 

 "Bush, OTOH, in his usual half-assed way instituted massive tax cuts and despite having a Republican Congress through most of his two terms increased spending to levels not seen since the Great Society days of LBJ."

Darn it, KTF, there I go agreeing with you yet again...