Oldschool GSD showlines known for working ability? - Page 2

Jeck vom noricum was probably also the dog who helped start the "banana back" trend worldwide , and thus causing the actual split.

JMO

Jeck is 3-3 on Palme

I guess 20 % or more dogs during that time have been linebred either on Nick or Palme, same with Uran.
Those breedings were made because of conformation, not because of working ability.

Ursus von Batu. I have a 10 year old grand-daughter of Ursus, who's a mix of ASL and GSL lines, and she is still a ball of energy!

This subject has come up before - suggest you do a search for previous threads.

 

Perhaps Sun, but the subject was introduced in a very recent thread so I figured now would be a good time to discuss, rather than bring up old threads.

Susie - what dogs are your faves from back then for working ability?

Opinions on this dog Enno vom Antrefftal     Herr Biehler and Fritz

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1631-enno-vom-antrefftal

Video 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j69fHmjsfyw

 

von Hirschel.

von Trienzbachtal.

von Adeloga.

vom Hühnegrab, especially Cliff vom Hühnegrab.

vom Kirschental, especially those from breedings where the mother line is 100% HGH titled all the way back to Blanka Mummelsee.

 

Swarnendu, the split took place well before Jeck Noricum--can't hold him responsible for that.

Heritage, the video shows his son Drigon, not Enno.
Enno was sold to the States ?

Koots, I really liked Ursus, Yasko, Ghandi ( my best male a Ghandi son )
Argo Kahler Heide, almost vanished
Ando was a good one, brought some strong dogs, but not much left besides females
but more important the D-litter Farbenspiel ( females !),
the M-litter Farbenspiel ( females!)...the crazy ones,
several locally very influental females that were able to produce good working dogs out of different males

I don´t believe in "lines" that much, the only exception Jeck Noricum / Ursus / Yasko / Ghandi - a high percentage of good offspring, but the more generations, the lower the chance...
In case breeders don´t select for working ability, the traits will vanish sooner or later, and at that point no linebreeding is able to "reanimate" traits that are lost. I think ( and that´s only my opnion, a lot of people think different ) it´s easier to select for temperament I am able to find in sire and dam than to count on some long lost recessive genetics in the 0,.... percentage.

Whenever I needed a new dog I looked out for strong, hard, even crazy dams in our local clubs, in the best case out of a long line of SchH/IPO3 rated dams, I didn´t care much about their bloodline, it was about "liking" or not. The males "followed"

Susie-the video shows his son Drigon, not Enno.  Enno was sold to the States ?

Thank you, Susie for correcting that as I forgot to put on top of the video it was his son Drigon. I do have the video with Fritz, Enno and Drigon. Yes, Enno did come to the USA. There are still dogs that go back to Enno through his son Drigon.  I was told that Enno's sire Frei was considered one of the important sires of the time?

Susie brings up a good point, and this thread is just a tiny sample of it. Sure, there are great males, but nobody talks about the females. Females are just as important, if not more important to a breeding. Look at this thread. I'm sure only males are mentioned because they have more offspring and do more overall to the breed, but the importance of the female is crucial when I go look for a pup. Just because Flavor of the Month vom Dushenozzle is a great male, doesn't mean he is 100% of the equation.