whats your take - Page 2

For the record. I still don´t believe in "Frankie"....

 Oh, dearie me. I didn't mean to post the entire search! But what an incredible trip down memory lane! Oh, I got tears of mirth, I think that won't stop! Oh, oh, oh!  All the folks that I thought I'd forgotten! LOL

 

@susie: I think it is also very funny that you don't, "... believe in 'Frankie'...." Whatever is there not to believe in? LOL The dog exists, or did, I haven't kept up with its life span, but I do remember the pictures. You don't believe they did the DNA tests? Or you don't believe the accuracy of the tests, or testers? Should all the believers clap their hands and say, "I do believe in Frankie! I do believe in Frankie! "

 

.... And maybe you'll start to believe in Frankie, too?  

No,I won´t...

A DNA test of sire/dam is useless, as long as grandsires/granddams are not DNA tested, too.

Just my opinion, I might be wrong, but I have seen too many litters to believe in miracles.

African Wild Dogs, the scavengers of the animal kingdom, may be spotted prowling the Kainji Lake National Park. These dogs can be recognised from their strikingly graphic, patterned coats, and disproportionately large ears. This area is also suspected home to the rest of the wild lions and a number of crocodiles, a species which is also endangered due to their valuable skin and meat. 

http://www.mydestination.com/nigeria/travel-articles/722127/wild-nigeria

 

Maybe, this would be a much more likely explanation....

 

 

 

But I guess you don´t need to go that far away.

I don't (believe!) / think African Painted Hunting Dogs
can interbreed with the domestic dog - still canids, but
slightly different species.

I'm with Susie, I have never been convinced of the
purity of 'Panda GSDs'.

Apparently the Wild African Dog shares the same number of chromosomes (78) as the domestic dog, so in theory it could be possible. I can't actually find an example of a hybrid breeding to bear that out, at this time. So, who knows!

 

Instead, I did find ... Frankie ...(bottom)

and Johnnie..! 

 

 http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=542954-lewcinkas-franka-von-phenom

A mutation can happen at any time, although it's rare that there is one that is easily observed. For example, the solid (recessive) black color in GSDs is a result of a mutation many years ago. And a mutation is what the original Panda Shepherd was found to be by the DNA tests. And in support of these results, the mutation is dominant (meaning only one parent needs to have the mutation to produce the white in puppies) and it also seems to be lethal when a dog has 2 genes for the mutation. Meaning that if you breed a Panda to a Panda, half the pups will die in utero.

 

The other piebald genes in dogs are recessive and both parents have to have the genes to produce the white coloring. So, that would mean that if Frankie were a cross, she wouldn't have produced any piebald pups unless the other parent also had the piebald gene. Yet, there were Panda colored dogs in all of her litters, which again supports that the mutation is dominant: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=542954-lewcinkas-franka-von-phenom&p=progeny

As far as the original poster's puppies, I think that either another dog got to the mom for some of the pups or the mom and dad both have some non-GSD genes. The head type on the pup doesn't appear to be typical GSD type--looks more collie/sheltie type.

Christine

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