Does WDA still exist and putting on trials/shows? - Page 2

Who knew? Probably most of the members of the WDA which apparently you are not. The SV released its judges to the GSDCA-WDA through July of 2015. Hence, if an application for a trial or show with an SV judge was sent to the WDA office before the end of July 2015 and the WDA office sent the paperwork to Augsburg, the SV released judges to the WDA. After that date, they would not release judges and informed the WDA they would have to go through the GSDCA, that is to say, ask the GSDCA to request the SV to release judges on their behalf, which, of course, after the law suits, the GSDCA is not doing.

Hence the events you are seeing were scheduled before the end of July 2015. Most shows and trials have to be scheduled at least 6 months and usually more before they take place. There were a couple of WDA club trials and a conformation show in the midwest in October and November, both scheduled before the deadline. There is also a WDA trial in December out in California also scheduled before the deadline. There is nothing scheduled for 2016.

Since the deadline, no further SV judges have been released to the WDA, hence Mr. Yee's letter to the membership stating that he did not know if in the future the SV would allow judges to be released to the WDA or if the WDA could have SV recognized events. He was hopeful, but dues were not being collected in view of the fluid situation.

So you say " Auslese " but the proof will be in the action not the BS .. however the fact is that WDA and anyone else in the USA can register any GSD with full AKC registration without anyone's permission as neither the FCI, SV, WDA, USCA, or GSDCA has anything to say about which GSD are registered and acknowledged by the AKC in the USA. Every dog residing in the USA participating in an FCI sanctioned event must have AKC papers. The phoney USCA registration papers are worth toilet paper prices as they are just SV Charmin with a rubber stamp by USCA. The WDA can continue just fine without SV, GSDCA, or anyone else of no importance ( USCA ). The SV has always been of no importance in the USA and those who think the FCI or SV will ever control anything about the GSD in the USA are living in an ever shrinking world of SV fantasy. The fact is that the SV will have 30,000 members or less by 2030 down from 100,000+ in the 1990's at their peak and the USCA and GSDCA will likewise fade into greater obscurity. Since the USCA was founded as an organization dedicated to destroying all other GSD organizations in the USA it will be interesting to see what their new reason to exist will be if the WDA in fact does dissolve .. perhaps their next reason to exist will be destroying the GSDCA?? Two totally egotistical organizations ( GSDCA and USCA ) who think they can tell 3+ million GSD owners what to do when they both represent far less than 3,000 members each. The GSDCA has back stabbed the WDA and cheated on their obligations for the GSDCA's WUSV debacle. Now it will be fun to watch the two back stabbers ... the USCA and GSDCA ... go after each other until they both bleed out. The SV can look forward to their own demise and the rise of the Asian GSD WalMart puppy mills as the Chinese crank out GSD by the pallet lot using the breeding stock the Europeans have sold to Asia and in particular China. Perhaps the SV can franchise their brand to the Chinese??

Wow. Talk about a post that had zero to do with this thread...This thread is about whether the WDA exists and will be holding events with SV judges. It is not about whether it is possible to register your dog with the AKC. It is not about the USCA or the GSDCA neither of which you appear to like. Apparently when you come across the letters WDA you go bezerk and can no longer mentally function but start ranting about anything except the subject at hand.

The poster was not slamming the WDA, the poster was not saying GSDCA or USCA are better. He or she did not even mention them.

As for "so I say" what I related in the last post is fact. Obviously you did not get Mr Yee's letter. But if you doubt anything I related, why not call the WDA office to verify. Ms Weinzimmer, the WDA secretary, is a very nice lady and I am sure she will clarify any doubts you may have.

This is my last post here since no one with any information is responding. And your responses are simply non germaine rants which have nothing to do with this. As an aside, I doubt whether Mr Yee and Mr Henkel, who I am sure are trying to the best of their ability to sort things out, would support anything you have to say and probably would not be delighted to have such an intermperate person as yourself, who attacks anything in sight, as a WDA member. Even if they are less than fond of the GSDCA and USCA, they have never spoken, unlike youl, in a irresponsible and uncivilized manner, and have never stooped to the level of calling their opposite numbers thugs etc. You should take your rant somewhere else, it is an embarrassment to the WDA, but then maybe that is your intent. Maybe you are a shill for the USCA just trying to make the WDA look bad.

To the OP; The WDA is still in existence but it is not clear if they will stay that way. I know that Dan Yee has approached the UScA asking if they will absorb their membership as is meaning: Allow the WDA clubs to become UScA clubs by by-passing the affiliation requirements; allow current WDA judges to become UScA judges without the need of going through the UScA judges program; allow current WDA helpers to become UScA helpers with out testing or loosing classifications. I know there is debate going on within the UScA EB regarding these topics, however, last i heard, no decisions have been made.

Any Titles issued by the WDA going forward will not be recognized by the WU/SV or AKC

IPO titles are FCI titles and any title given by an FCI judge is valid and binding on the SV and any other FCI affiliated organization which for the SV is the VDH.  The DVG and any other organization with FCI approved judges can award IPO titles to the GSD .. the IPO titles are not breed specific. The DVG is a member of the VDH and their judges can award IPO titles. The AKC will recognize any valid FCI recognized IPO title. The US DVG and several WDA clubs have had joint clubs for some time. Dan Yee can make any deal he wants to but some of the WDA clubs will simply go DVG or cease to compete in the sport as a contest. Anyone can train and compete without the GSDCA, USCA, or SV and the DVG clubs can title and compete in the FCI world IPO championships.  No one in the WDA is going to forget the lies and treachery of the USCA and GSDCA.  The SV has no power except in Germany and with their fake surrogate the WUSV.  IPO is an all breed sport with a world championship heavily attended and won by breeds other than the GSD.  The track record of the USCA in cheating at competitions and the lies they have told for 30 years will not be forgotten.  The only good news is almost all GSD owners don't care if the entire IPO inbred clan implodes.  The police K9 people think IPO is a joke as do most training for real protection and guard work.  There are good dogs in the IPO community but they are not good because of the SV or GSD IPO community politics.  Increasingly the best IPO dogs are not GSD which is not a tragedy as some lament since IPO is just a game. 

To the OP:

Politics do not train dogs people do. With out the contract with the GSDCA WDA won,t be able to get any SV judges at there trials. There are many different venues in the US for dog sports.

Briefly stated..... The WDA has flatlined!

bubbabooboo's last post about judge certifications and title recognition, across breed clubs, is correct. I still don't understand why people here keep insisting otherwise. Per an existing agreement, all IPO titles are recognized by the various breed clubs, regardless of which breed club issued the title. The only disparity is with the AD. For example, a GSD cannot take the AD under an ATIBOX judge because there is a slight variation in the test itself.

Also, another item that keeps getting overlooked, due to ignorance of the rules, is for the WDA to have simply joined the IRO. The IRO has an agreement with the SV to cross certify WUSV and SV judges. If the WDA leadership understood this process earlier in the game, they could have had all their judges become IRO judges and still maintained their IPO judging status.  Now, they may have had trouble getting the SV to approve the cross certified WDA judges to work pure IPO trials, BUT their IPO judge certifications would have been protected under the agreement with the IRO.

Momo, why should a club that is interested in IPO, showing, and breed survey become a member of IRO?

NO IPO within IRO, NO SHOWS within IRO, NO BREEDSURVEYS within IRO.

There is NO agreement about "cross certifying" ANY titles besides RH1 and RH2, none.

In case an SV judge wants to judge an SV - RH 2, he needs to be an OFFICIALLY APPOINTED SV RH judge.

On the other hand SV only accepts IRO titles given by IRO/FCI judges, nothing else !

@susie, I checked with the IRO on this one, there are indeed cross certified SV/IRO judges (they had a special pogram to streamline the process at one time). The WDA could have used what I explained above as a "stop gap" to preserve the status of their judges (not specifically to hold IPO trials, which they can't do now anyway).

@susie, we normally get along, so please double check your information.