Inferior Quality VonWilhendorf Dog - Page 2

Donnerstorm, no, the movement won't disqualify a dog; by the same token, a dog that moves this way is unlikely to receive a high show rating, and the faulty movement will be noted by the Koermeister in the dog's breed survey.  Go to an AKC conformation show, and watch the pups and immature dogs there--you'll see a lot of the same type of structural flaw, and the same type of movement.  But the situation does tend to improve as the dog is conditioned and physically matures.

There's relationship between front and rear angulation/length of loin/ length of body overall/set of the tail and whether or not a dog is cow-hocked, toes in or stands square in the rear, BTW...the cow-hocks develop to compensate for variations in the other structural componants to permit the animal to function.

once again it is the dog who suffers whilst buyer and seller bicker and litigate.  this poor girl is deformed----there's no other word for it.  a perfect example of what happens when breeders breed for extremes rather than a "whole" dog.  i'm sad and wish i had not seen this.
pjp

That's interesting Hexe, I have never been to a conformation show.  I live in a fairly rural area and I never had a sl gsd.  About 8 months ago I went to a kennel to pick up a male and they had a very typie bitch that was out of imported parents but 1/2 sl 1/2 wl, she was soo adorable I had to buy her.  I call her my pocket shepherd.  I love her personality everybody that meets her does, she is so nice to have in the house much more graceful than my wl guys and calmer.  She loves to track but not bitework, loves agility so I just started looking at the AKC competitons and shows that way she has something to do.  I found one coming up next month only 2 hrs away so I'll see one then, I will definately watch for the movement.  I don't know if mine being 1/2 sl is why her personality is the way it is, but I have to admit after spending all day working the wl guys it's nice to come inside and have a calmer dog to cuddle with.

Agree with Hexe.
I have seen a lot of puppies - most of them SL that moved like this who grew out of it.In 90 % of the cases,they were big heavyboned pups.I once had a working line bitch that had this problem as a puppy,she also grew out of it by the time she was about 20 months old.She was a great female with tons of drive,she would wake up in the morning,grab the ball and let it out of her month only in the evening. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=612839

Well, I am shocked by some comments here.  To excuse that as pretty much normal and to say she will grow out of it?? HSB.  You guys must have some lovely structurerd dogs, I sure hope you are not breeding them!

As for putting the dog back in the crate; after I picked up mine and got home late at night, I let him run outside, and yes, I put him back in his crate until morning.  What the heck is wrong with that?  Was I to let him run all over the house pissing and pooping and destroying everything while I slept, to show how much I loved him?

Wow.

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss this puppy. We had a pup at training class that looked worse at 4 months. I'd have bet that she had HD. However, she prelim xrayed clear at 6, 7 months and at a year she is still a bit cowhocked, but nothing nearly as bad as she was.  Natalee has shorter hocks than this puppy, but otherwise their rears look very much the same.

This was a German SL too from a well-known breeder. Since the angulation in the German dogs is getting more acute, I think we should expect to see this more frequently. The ASL people have dealt with it for years and know it's essentially a waiting game. Some get better, some don't. 

I would have wanted the breeder to inform me of this prior to my buying her;  a video would have been nice. That would have allowed me to make an informed decision whether or not I wanted to buy her. If I were Iron Horse I would not be a happy camper either.

I was surprised to see that cow hocks seem to be acceptable in the SL and have seen quite a few V rated dogs with this condition. While a "loose" rear might tighten up some with exercise and maturity, being truly cow hocked is not going to improve.


As for the collar in the crate, I have both shipped and recieved quite a few dogs. I have never put one in a crate with a collar and would be pretty pizzed if one was sent to me with a collar on.  
 

JMO,

Rik

In my opinion anyone that produces puppies or dogs that move like this at any stage in their life, are doing the breed a great injustice. There's nothing natural about any of this kind of bs and the people that intentionally produce dogs with these obvious deformities are idiots.What the hell is wrong with the gait or structure of a healthy normal gsd puppy.You can take your breed improvements and stick up your ass, that's my opinion. Oh  she is heavy boned and a little overweight, she'll grow out of it, what a crock of shit.