Importing puppies might be getting harder here soon...... - Page 2

AMERICANS import everything,shoes cars,computers, probably 90%of everything u are looking at now is an import or made from imported parts mostly, including your dog(hopefully lol).
       maybe tighter control all around will help us "all around" america has imported the GSD for over 60years from EUROPE. Still the "best" breeders import there dogs , why havent we taken advantage of ALL THE GENETICS they have sent us for 2generations? Surely we have  more euro blood here than they do, yet our "BEST" breeders still import there best dogs after all these 60 years!!!!    only in America
       maybe some more legislation and BS will help things>>>... or marketing gimmicks may help?
 

It might raise the bar on the quality of pups bred in the US, which would be a good thing.

RAISING THE BAR WOULD BE GOOD
                 The shipping money is nice for the saudis and texans though(fuel) as the best slovak kennel probably gets a third of the cost after shipping and middleman(broker) for actually breeding the kick-ass dawg and training the sire or dam. We are spoiled here and that is why we continue to buy from people who can recognize quality IMO

I am happy about this after thinking about it. I think it would be good to reduce the broker business some and have people start consentrating on what we have. This really is not going to affect many mostly those that mass import and broker.

i have only imported a few times and thank god as those dogs were shit. breeding animals sent with hernias, messed up teeth and very apparent allergies. i spent thousands and was sent crap. i mean to send a 2 year old breeding female with a huge hernia is disgusting and then the buyer becomes responsible to pay for return shipping. if anyone thinks we are getting the best dogs from overseas they are fooling themselves. of course the brokers are crying. why? because it takes away from the cash cow. the ones complaining and sending spam emails are the ones in it for the money, for them it is all about the $$$$$$$$. think about it people. they have never sent us their best dogs, ever.  i will never import their shitters, if i want shitters i can find plenty right here in america, for a fraction of the cost. keep paying people keep paying and sending your money overseas for their crap dogs. breeding females with hernias and this coming from a well known kennel. some of the the very people on this thread are big supporters of these overseas kennels and it is apparent to me they are not in this for the dogs as they claim.

by gsdhaven on 04 September 2011 - 02:09

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maybe tighter control all around will help us "all around" america has imported the GSD for over 60years from EUROPE. Still the "best" breeders import there dogs , why havent we taken advantage of ALL THE GENETICS they have sent us for 2generations? Surely we have  more euro blood here than they do, yet our "BEST" breeders still import there best dogs after all these 60 years!!!!    only in America        maybe some more legislation and BS will help things>>>... or marketing gimmicks may help?

Maybe you should ask the buyers.  Problem is that American breeders complain that there are "good dogs over here in the U.S." but at the sametime they are constantly importing their breeding dogs.  The talk about how they "import the best dogs to fit their program" and then in the same sentence they say that "you can get great dogs bred here in the U.S.".  So the the buyer they say, "well shit if you can get dogs from overseas why can't I?" 

The dog world is very small and when it comes to breeding and knwoing what you are breeding and really knowing the lines, there are a larger number in the states that don't know what they are doing and breed for fads.  Not their fault as they are just breeding what people want vut at the sametime it doesn't help.

gsdhaven - If you aren't sure why we haven't taken advantage of it or where is all the knowledge going, look at American GSD.   Many american breeders think they can do better and try to do a lot without having the knowledge.  Now again there are a good number of american breeders who know what they are doing and breed GREAT dogs, they are hard to find if you are a beginner.  And don't forget about the overall view of American products in general....they are seen as shit compared to overseas products, i.e. cars, electronics, etc.

I am not a fan of this proposition and now see the prices of dogs over here going up with the possibility of more dogs turning out like crap.  Again I could be wrong and I hope I am.  Maybe as Jenn said, it might raise the bar for the pups being bred.  Im not in favor of a rule that says if you resale, you have to wait 6 months.  It now leads to more pregnant bitches being sent over and gives American breeders an advantage over importers.

sure. an advantage is the overseas breeders sending crap and then expecting us to pay thousands re-shipping dogs that should have been good in the beginning. and do you think for one second that any top breeder overseas  is going to part with a top dog, without you paying enough for a small house? and being they only charge americans those prices doesn't that speak to "only being in it for the dogs" bullshit sales pitch. they are in it for the money plain and simple.  you are dreaming and it is clear who you are dreaming of. god you are confused and so brainwashed. ace do you for one second believe that overseas breeders care about giving you the best breeding/sport dog? man who has been in your ear? they do not care about helping you to breed good dogs. it would be like microsoft helping linux come up with a better operating system. it is a no brainer.

so, imho this is a good thing. them not being able to ship puppies until 6 months might help to weed out some of the obvious crap that is sent as puppies and not yet visible, but again it is about the money and not quality. it has never and it will never be about quality, if it was about quality, all overseas breeders would offer a contract that paid the shipping for replacement of a puppy, after all they are charging americans up to 5 times as much as almost anyone else. keep listening to the people guiding you as they sound like they have you in their back pocket. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

american show line german shepherd came out of the inability to import german shepherds.......

imo this is just another restrictive law, and the government needs to stop interfering in our day to day lives.

Maybe I'm being a little bit niaive here but surely after importing GSDs for 60 years or so there are some amazing american show and working bloodlines, no?
Surely given the size of the US (please bear in mind that I live in the UK which by comparison is a piddly little island), there are tens of thousands of GSDs that are suitable for breeding programmes? OK so I know that many dogs won't be bred from for a variety of reasons but if Americans have been importing for 60 years, those breeders who are genuinely trying to improve the breed who have been breeding of upwards of 20 years or so surely would have fantsatic lines of their own?

Furthermore, not everything to come out of Europe is crap. If you've imported a dog (and this goes for anyone in any Country importing from anywhere else in the world) and it turns out to be a sack of sh*t then yes you'll lose money over it. To have it happen 2,3 4 times or more etc is just silliness and carelessness on the part of the person importing. If you've been stung once in this way, then surely it would be prudent to travel to Europe (or whatever Country you want a dog from), picking the dog and travelling back with it. For those who have been breeding or importing for a number of years, do you not become friends sometimes with the people you deal with in the UK, Germany etc? This way you could send a friend in the relevant Country to go and see a dog to make sure that you're getting what you think you will be sent.

I do agree though to a certain extent - to send a brood bitch with a hernia is sickening and notwithstanding the fact that the person importing is being ripped off, most iomportantly it's not fair on the dog(s).

My main point is that not all European breeders try to rip off Americans or anyone else from another Country. There are good breeders who do have the dogs' best interests and bloodlines at heart above and beyond the issue of money. If you have been conned by someone in Europe and you live in the US you can report them to their relevant KC. it won't always result in any action being taken and it fdepends largely on the Country you've imported from. But it is possible to have something done about such breeders.
FYI - my Uncle and Cousin used to breed SBTs. Not once did they ever break even. Every litter cost them at least £2000 out of pocket by the time the pups had gone to their new homes. So not everyone is a commercial breeder only looking to make easy money.

I have a different take on this importing dogs.  My opinion is most people in the US are just to lazy to take the time to breed good dogs.  Much easier to let someone else do all the work.  I do not believe that the dogs in Europe are any better then they are here.  But its the Japaneese mentality of a lot of people in this country that have been brain washed to believe that everything built somewhere else is better then they can get here. I do hope that they make it harder to import to the US.  Maybe then people here will support their own economy rather then economys of countries that just laugh at us everytime we over pay for something. Steve