how do you train the out command - Page 2

also, if she's taking after people and not lsitening to you, attach a long line to her and just wait for her to make that mistake, let her get about 3/4 of the way down the line, then jerk that line in the opposite direction,  she might be knocked off her feet and hit the ground with the air knocked out of her, but shouldn't take too many times for her to get the idea. 

had a pair of sisters who wanted to chase my old cat,  this is how I broke them of the habit.

WOW! 

Awww, come on, Jim....say more than, "wow".

hey,the line jerk worked, 2 very high drive Omo giersnest sp? gr. daughters, they handled the corrections well, and one of the better breeders/trainers reccomended me try that.  nothing else I tried worked but that.

dog takes off running, al of a sudden its taken off its feet, doesn't even associate the correction with the handler, just with the action.  chase the cat, I suddenly get knocked off my feet, it def. sunk in and after about 3 times, they didn't chase the cat ever again.

Hey Renee,
Ok, the out is really not the problem.  How about some obedience, teaching a recall, socializing the dog and being more responsible with a potentially aggressive dog. 

I like Phil's approach the best. 

Oh, yea how about teaching the dog the basic commands like a recall, before knocking it on it's ass for not listening.  Or, let's not put the dog in that situation until it's trained.  I can understand it happening once, but only once. 

I should just leave it at: "wow".

Jim

Double Wow! 

I agree with the obedience, Slamdunc, but I've had a few here who even with obed. and adv. schutzhund titles, still had issue's and the only way to get the dogs attention was to "knock it on its ass".

maybe I'm too hard on some.  but I like to solve a problem quickly, they do something like that, I don't want to "work with it" and be nice, I want to nip the problem in the bud and it not happen again. period.

going after people aggressively and not listening to the owner is not a new problem with this dog, its been allowed the upper hand for too long and is higher up on the pack order than its owner.  it needs to be knocked down a few notches, unfortunately, the owner has allowed this to happen for so long, I doubt they are capable for fixing the problem themselves, and should seek a professional to work with the dog.  but the dog may never respect the owner till they learn to get a little backbone and control their dog. or they should not have the dog, it gives the breed a bad image, and is a danger to society, and will only get worse.

if it takes knocking this dog on its ass a few times, to prevent it from biting a child or someone just going down the road, so be it.

maybe they can get the dog whisper or someone else to be its friend and after months of work, fix the problem. 

Thank you, Jim and Uberland. Hopefully, the OP listens to the wisdom of those with your level of training. Jim, I knew there was more to be said! Thanks!