Bottcher harness? - Page 2

Bob,
        I hope I am not getting off topic.......

What do you get when you add   Oh in front of that???

Tat ....Titson    ...translation...  That's schutzhund. 

Eddy Murphy...........

HAHAHAHHAHHHHHHH ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don,t use a boltcher but do use double lines, tracking line on the fur saver other line on the pinch with claps under neck I also thro in a couple extra links so it hangs loss just like the fur saver till needed.

I bought one last year  at the sieger show @ arlington hieghts !  just was wondering if it would be benificial to my girl and me to use it every once in a while! Just another tool in the toolbox?

Hey Max I do the same thing.  From puppyhood on up, when I go tracking as I am walking the dog to the start flag, the whole way as we walk to it I am quietly saying to my dog "let's go zzzzzzzzzzucht".  Of course when the dog is a puppy it's a very loud and boistrous song, to get the puppy very excited.  As the dog matures I still say the same thing though much more quietly but it still works to bring up those drives and get the dog ready to go track!

Raymond...... it is a great tool.
In the beginning you would use for
much longer. It depends on the dogs.
Some dogs will respond extremely well
to it and you will notice a big change in
them staying on task. My old rottweiler
bitch was like a vacuum cleaner with a
tail. She only needed it as a tuner upper.
My Malinois are the best trackers I have
ever seen. Their heads almost never come up.
So I do my tracking different than most people.
One thing I notice about my bitches is they have
high prey/defence and are very good at tracking.
My only problems come up in Obedience.  And
Have seen so many dogs like this.... that I wonder if
that is a genetic thing that you get good tracking and
protection work but lacking a little in obedience. But
this is the kind of dog I like and train.

  Thanks for the replies, keep em coming.

Can this also be used to make the dog not pull?  My trainer showed me how to take my leash, connect to the collar as normal, then go down the dogs back and loop it around their groin area, just so it crosses.  So when I pull on the leash, it tightens around the belly and pulls back the neck, then quickly releases.

I was looking for a harness that would take place of me doing this to the leash and this looks as close to it as possible.  Or is there another harness I am thinking about.  I swear I saw one in a local store once and wish I bought it.  This was years ago.

I look forward to your responses.

I am using the Bottcher on my girl very succesfully. She is very sensitive to any leash pull and my problem was that she turned her ass sideways when I just slightly kept thightness on the tracking leash. In her eyes in was a correction and was unsure of what I wanted her to do.

The Bottcher keeps her head down and the forward motion very straight. The pressure on her neck when she pulls into it is even and right on top. This doesnt make her second guess like she did when the pressure was on the site of her neck. It works similar to doing two leashes, but with the Bottcher I can be 30 foot behind her. It takes some extra getting used to in handling the line as it goes between the back legs, it can get easier tangled when she is laying down a bit crooked on the article, as well when the dog is circling a corner. But overall it helped us tremendously.

It is allowed in a trial, however judges want to see the bellyband very loose. With this in mind the dog can still lift the nose up. For training use (and if your dog doesnt mind) you can thighten the belly strap more as the goal of the harness is to apply pressure on the back if the nose comes up.