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Onyx,
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Do you think this type of dog could of been trained to release on command and if so then would this then SPOIL the dogs true character and hardness ???

Teaching a dog to out shouldn't spoil the dog's character or hardness, unless it was taught incorrectly or the dog was weak to begin with. 

He looks like a nice dog.  I don't see anything different in that video than what most good sport dogs will do when pushed defensively.  I raised my current Police K9 as a puppy doing Schutzhund and sport work until I donated him to my PD at 2 years old and converted him to a police dog.  He is a very real, very serious dog and has proven himself on the street several times.  He is an awesome sport dog as well.  He engages the helper with true aggression and bites the sleeve because it's there. His grips are full, hard and crushing - that's genetic. he bites for real on bad guys the same way, full and crushing.  He outs cleanly and has never lost any hardness or character due to the training.   


There are plenty of good sport dogs out there that will bite you for real;  you just need to get out to some good clubs to see them.   It really boils down to training philosphy and how the dogs are worked.  People who train seriously have real dogs, don't judge them all based on a few.

JMO,

Jim 

I have a totally different idea of what a ( real ) German Shepherd Dog is all about.

You can't just judge ALL sport dogs by the few you may have seen.I have a friend that has a female SHOW line and she competes in SchH,AKC and Rally and if you were to dare to break in to her place that dog would have the courage to bite your ass for real....actually you would have 3 female showlines "sport" dogs attached to you and she also has the ability to out.Although if it were me and knowing her too I would just let my dog eat the intruder.
And where in the hell do you live that you are not alowd to train a dog? That is just stupid!! Also you are showing off your dog by posting a clip of it on here!! That is showing off!! also by what you posted. Why would you have your dog as a ppd if you can't train it? That is a form of training.Why would you want your dog to bite if you are going to be introuble for it even if you did have an out on it? You really aren't giving the GSd a good name with what you are doing....or your self by the things you say.

Onyx,

Jim you said that you dont see any difference in what sport dogs can do if pushed defensively, why push the poor bugger in defense, what are you proving to yourself and how does the dog benefit

Sorry, but I don't think you understand what pushing a dog into defense is.  What you did in that video was that, nothing more nothing less.  Any sport dog should react the same way or even stronger.  How do you know what your dog would do in the yard after midnight one on one?

Just curious, maybe I'm missing something.

Jim

We all have ideas and thats what makes this world a beautiful place and i respect that..

Your friends females are inside of the house i bet , and have the added security.. And even if not so, show dogs and Sch Sport dog in general havnt got the balls i feel. Well yeah am showing off my dog its legal and am proud of him, for what he is naturally.. A sharp aggressive dog thats what he is Mister... What you wont get in trouble if your dog bites someone  and  then he OUTS ??  Jim this dog does not need to be pushed in defense or provoked..
His last session of the few that he has had, we created a scenario of an intruder coming through the gates after midnight..
Lav you must be a BIONIC MAN with BIONIC DOGS, must be good for business..!!!!!

onyx-

there are many show and sport dogs who would crumbled under pressure yes. but there are still many whom are a bit more serious and have real protection. There are also many more sports that are protection oriented instead of schh that do infact put much more pressure on the dog.

Also many of the military and police dogs are titled out in schh.We are talking some of the best dogs in the world. So you cant say because a dog competes in sport it is going to faulter under pressure.

I dont believe just because a dog can title it be a ppd or police k9. however it doesnt mean particular dogs that are titled cant.


Also your video gives all whom have ppd, fpd, and protection trained dogs a bad name. You have no control over your dog. I dont care if he outs or not you simply showed a complete lack of control through the video and your dogs lack of training shows. Your dog may or may not bite for real. I see a frantic dog with no self control and an insufficient handler showing off how "bad ass" his dog is. In fact i see a dog that shows a lot of nervous frantic energy that isnt showing tru courage in a fight. The dog has tells, ears down(before the fight), lips curled, puffed chest, high pitched bark, frantic energy- these all point to an unsure dog when put together. Also he is in a defensive state well before he reaches the decoy which suggests a lack of true courage. He may bite for you but its not what i want to see out of my protection dogs. Some may disagree but from this short clip this is what i take away from it.
 
Also, this statement-
Jim this dog does not need to be pushed in defense or provoked.. 
A dog should not be defensive 100% of the time. The dog should have equal prey, defense drive. This dog needs to be worked through both and sufficiently trained to maintain some self control through both phases. 

I think you should humble yourself before posting how "bad ass" your dog is and learn what your dog is really showing you and what you need to do to train your dog. Oh wait it is illegal where you live and have made a poor attemp at it. I dont see you as a competant or responsible handler owner by posting videos of illegal activity. You stated it was illegal to train your dog yet you go out and send him at a camera. real responsible. I just hope the dog doesnt pay the price for your ignorance.

JMHO,

Taking footage of a dog with a Mobile Phone is not illegal, and it was not training ... This is the reason i have others to post for me in the future some biting sessions... And his barkn is not high pitched and its more of a growl... And with the ears and all this body language well i have to show some other  footage i guess... He does have enough prey and balanced with defense, you are judging by one video  Mister... Wait for the next footage and give your opinion,until then why dont you show us what your dogs are truly made of.. Oh wait the usual routine i bet, sunny afternoon and going through the same drill over and over again.. So your telling me that all black belts are the same and all black belts are street brawlers..   I guess he is a bad ass dog and thats how he was born and thats the way he should live. Thats my responsibility to keep him from causing damage to the public, and not give any bad name...

Once again i said MOST 90%+++++ OF DOGS TRAINED FOR SPORT ARE ALL SHOW AND NO REAL GO !!!!
You got muscle cars and you got sport cars
You got Bas Rutten and you got Mr Black Belt
You got believers and you got dreamers !!!

"Your friends females are inside of the house i bet , and have the added security.. And even if not so, show dogs and Sch Sport dog in general havnt got the balls i feel. Well yeah am showing off my dog its legal and am proud of him, for what he is naturally.. A sharp aggressive dog thats what he is Mister... What you wont get in trouble if your dog bites someone and then he OUTS ?? Jim this dog does not need to be pushed in defense or provoked..
His last session of the few that he has had, we created a scenario of an intruder coming through the gates after midnight..
Lav you must be a BIONIC MAN with BIONIC DOGS, must be good for business..!!!!!"

LOL All I can do is laugh at this. Doesn't matter where my friends dogs are they have the courage to take on the situation if need be. You are sounding like an idiot by saying SchH sport dogs, like it is a breed!! There are serious GSDs that do the sport. Some of them might not have the "balls" to take on a real situation but again.....the dogs that are doing, the now made in to a sport ,SchH are doing just that.....a sport and that is how the people that have them want them to be. If they wanted a dog that was more serious they would have one and some do. That is good that you love your dog but is it proud of him...or is it boosting YOUR ego? I was proud of my one DDR dog I had but I never had to flaunt it......in fact there were mostly just the people I worked with that knew of what he was capable of.Most importantly I knew. Yes I would as anyone would get introuble if their dog bit.I hope that my dog never has to  bite someone...but if he did it would be to protect me.I have the control to call him off if someone were to run away,as was said to me in legal terms....if my dog were to pursue the chase THEN I would be in trouble.HENCE having control on a dog with those behaviors!!! That is being responsible. As for being Bionic MAN...NO I am a woman!! As for my Bionic dog....nah he is just a dog but a great one that I can feel safe with and also not have to worry if a kid comes running up to him and smacks him on the head.I know he isn't going to take their face off cause defensive(fear) issues. Again ...where are you that it is illegal to train a dog?