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by SitasMom on 26 May 2009 - 23:05

I AGREE WITH THEM

YOU MUST BE MASTER

by 1doggie2 on 27 May 2009 - 03:05

Yr, Hello.
Think you got your point across? I can tell by your writing you would prefer to yell! Yr is right, do not allow this to continue. Someone told me once, "it will stop when you want it to" They were right, once I really wanted it, I stopped it.

by yellowrose of Texas on 27 May 2009 - 04:05

Hi Doggie 2:   How is your big boy doing. time for some pics of him...?????

No I don't like to YELL but people do not LISTEN. When I type in CAPS< I call it  emphasis!!!!!!!

How many times does this come to the board...Why do not breeders that sell pups   instruct the buyers how to train and handle....I had to send three of mine to Mahon, because they did not   LISTEN>.. the more you talk,,if you do not make it plain and in big CAPITAL letters they seem to think     she is just talking... Many people get out of this breed because people do not listen..Many of the world famous trainers, are rumored to be mean and harsh...no they are not.

When a tough problem comes up...a gsd cannot just be told to go hush or handled with the same manner a poodle or a lab is handled.. These pups, at least mine, are high drive and very dominant and have a pain tolerance that will throw a donkey on its ass...So you have to use some real heavy handed corrections...No where does any one of us , mean to bloody the dogs nose or head...but by golly , if once , not done, twice is your choice,,,third time is lost in time.

If you allow, you get the butt end . I made my mistakes on my third dog...I had a wonderful mentor that didnt let me make the mistakes on my first and second dog...but when I got to three I had other irons in the fire and I let up...and I had to have a drag thru Galveston county park on my stomach with a whole Police department watching to learn,,,never again.. Konig saw the man come from behind a building and I had him on leash , double gripped and I was braced against a tree.., but that did no good...he took off and my corrections went right down on the ground , me on my stomach and him pulling me across the park to the target.
It is not fun to have spectators laugh at your mistakes...it only did me in once.    And I disciplined my kids the same way .   I never hesitated to bust butts in a restaurant outside the front door or in a department store.. My big pet peeve, was kids hiding under the racks in the clothing racks and climbing on them I was in High end Fashion and Dr.s wives were the worlds worst....Their kids just dared me to tell them to stop.. I didn't dare them,, I removed them to a table with some blocks and books...More than one way to get thru to a human kid...only one way to a dogs head.

Dogs do not reason...Humans learn to reason to some degree as they mature...or they are suppose to.

by Adi Ibrahimbegovic on 27 May 2009 - 05:05

This is what you need to do.

Your dog does not respect you and your corrections are like a nagging wife telling you to go and wash the car (as you promised you will) while you are watching football on Sunday afternoon.

In America here they call them "honey do's"... As in - Honey... do this, hoooooney, do that. And you are like, yeah, yeah, I'll get back to you...

So, that's what your dog is doing to you and your "corrections".

Scenario: The strange dog is approaching. Dog is thinking: Oh, shit, he's coming to get me. You try your silly correction. it falls on deaf ears and dog is continuing his song and dance. You "correct" again. He blows you off thinking": Fuck you dude, when it counted, you failed me and now you are trying to be the boss, step aside and let me handle this. He is effectively saying, I have seen this happen and I will deal with it the only way I know - being aggressive first.

That is what's happening to your dog. Why?

Cause it's your fault. He went through a traumatic experience of being bullied by 2 adult dogs, as you mentioned as a puppy. It is YOUR JOB to protect your puppy from other dogs bullying him and you failed to do that. If not, you, the owner, the master, the leader - then who?

Answer: He'll have to do it himself.

And he is, has been and will continue to do it, as you have noticed.

He is employing the old saying known as " Attack is the best defense" or I better get that sucker first before he gets to me, as they did it to me way back when, and this guy who is holding my leash won't do jackshit, as he didn't then.

So, now what?

Nothing. You have to EARN his respect to be the boss and the chain of command has to get back to you again. It is not easy and it's a long process.

Google and go buy yourself a Herm Sprenger prong collar and learn how to use it. Then arm yourself with patience and you may or may not succeed in this endeavour. It is tricky and requires time and skill.

I did not allow ANY dog, GSD, mutt, friendly, poodle, this or that to get to my dog - the risk of an accident was too severe. A lot of dumb owners and dumb dogs out there. A few times, over exuberant dogs would charge at us while walking and I would physically stand between the other and my dog, who was kind of neutral and chase him away.

by malshep on 27 May 2009 - 12:05

Hi Yellow rose, I like the idea of yanking the trailer off the block, very very good. The same thing applied to foals, when I tell you to stand still, you will stand still, because when you have a 1200 lb adult that will not stand still, bad news.

Always,
Cee

by Keef on 27 May 2009 - 17:05

My thanks to all who have replied, particularly our American cousins. It seems thay you all agree that I am simply not being tough enough with him. Yeah, I guess you are right although there is a fine line between being tough and being cruel. I dont like the idea of some of these painful devices or booting him up the backside. Have taken on board all your comments........do realize that it is my fault and will try to do better.

Two years ago this July I had our last GSD"Jago" , whom I loved to bits, put down at 11 yrs, He had cancer of the spine and I know that putting him to sleep was the kindest and only thing to do. He died in my arms on a sunny summer day here in the UK. I am in my late 50's but cried like a baby afterwards. I expect most of you have been there too! I felt like a murderer and had ( and most probably have still got ) real feelings of guilt. I guess I have most probably carried those feelings over to Viggo and have been far too soft with him as a result; to the detriment of us both it seems . Not meant as an excuse but just happens to be the truth. Time to get over it and turn Viggo into the super dog I know he is going to be!

Thanks once again to all who have taken the trouble to reply.

by yellowrose of Texas on 27 May 2009 - 17:05

The sorrow of putting down a loved Shepherd stays with you forever.. Having done it over and over I still walk the tip of the hill
and listen for them even though I know they are not there...Their spirit is at the Rainbow Bridge waiting for a grand reunion..

You will find it in you to toughen up on your corrections...You do not have to kick his butt,,,but you would if he were a tenacious , big burly gsd that growled at you after he knew better...In your case...get a new collar and remember , hard corrections work. You will fix it and be proud you did.
.I had to learn many years ago and it took a great trainer watching me and showing me how to do it..

My mentor told me early in the game,,do not let things become bad habits, They are harder to break after they become the habit..If you see it, fix it immediately, then you do not have to re train. I learned to watch for the things not acceptable..

David Moore, taught me that what my dog does is my Fault , not the dogs.

by 1doggie2 on 27 May 2009 - 21:05

LADY, YOU ARE STILL NOT GETTING IT IF YOU CAN STATE "I guess you are right although there is a fine line between being tough and being cruel."
You better reread these posts again and again and again for the sake of your dog. If you love that dog and want him for life, you better quite pussy footing around with him! Right now that dog thinks your not capable, "stupid"..
There is not a peson on here that does not Love the dogs, and will protect them, we argue with each other, but when It comes to a dog in need I have seen those who will argue at a drop of a hat, but work together to help a dog! THEY ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU, AND YOU NEED TO LISTEN..

Yr , step Dad passed away, I have my hands full right now, but you will not believe the pics are of the same dog! He is a head turner! Going to have to say I am sorry, just no time right now, I thought my life was outta control before, it is wild right now!

by kcs on 28 May 2009 - 20:05

What is wrong with everyone on this message board? All you're teaching your dog by yanking him all over the place is to fear you and the leash! Training should be about MUTUAL RESPECT. Dogs are pack animals- if they see you as their pack leader they will respect you. If you flip them over, drag them behind horse trailers, "yank their necks right off their body", etc, you will have a dog that at first will obey out of fear. But fear will sooner or later turn towards aggression and guess who's going to be on the receiving end of that aggression? Do you really want a 105 pound GSD on top of you? I would check into the Monks of New Skete. They have a couple books on training dogs and they specialize in GSDs. I'm sure I'll get laughed at here but after reading these posts, I had to say something! The link to this post was posted on a GSD message board- they are all horrified by the comments here! I myself have a 6 month old GSD. He is 6 months old and was never socalized by his old owners- he stayed in a backyard for 4 months. Since we got him a couple weeks ago we've taken him everywhere with us, the park, the stores, the beach, etc. We DO NOT let him off a leash because he growls and barks at people and at certain dogs. But slowly this is fading away as he's realizing that other dogs and other people are NOT going to hurt him. It will take time but you will love the results! And you will end up with a dog who will not hate you, that's always a plus.

by Red Sable on 28 May 2009 - 22:05

kcs, you menion Monks of New Skete, and also you say "if you flip them over". Wasn't it the Monks of New Skete that advocate that ( the Alpha roll) to show dominance in one of their books? Not that I agree with it, nor have I ever done it, just curious.

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