What are my girls physical flaws and strengths

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by Blitzen on 13 August 2008 - 14:08

Nice job, paranshep. See what I'm talking about, smartguy? Fault judging is all some here know how to do.

by smartguy1469 on 13 August 2008 - 21:08

I am very frustrated at the moment because of stupid technology. Long story short the first picture is on an incline and this is on flat ground. Thank you all for your comments.

by smartguy1469 on 13 August 2008 - 21:08

by Sunsilver on 14 August 2008 - 00:08

Smartguy, although that is a better picture than the first one, still you need to get right down on the dog's level to get a really good shot. Sometimes this means putting the dog up on a table to stack it.

Her problems can be summed up in a couple of words: lack of angulation. This is very common in working line dogs. Both her upper arm and her stifle are too short, and lacking in angulation. This will give her a short, choppy stride, and may cause her to break down sooner than a better angulated dog, because her upright stance doesn't absorb the shock of jumping as well. On the other hand, you may get many years of good service from her. It all depends....

I like her topline. I think her croup is very nice: not too steep, and nice and long. (It looks better in this photo than the previous one.) She has nice high withers, too, and, unlike most showline dogs, NO ROACH!!

And I really don't know how someone can say her eye isn't dark enough from such a small photo... I don't see anything wrong with her head or expression.

by smartguy1469 on 14 August 2008 - 02:08

Blitzen and Sunsilver

Thank you very much for all your comments. Over all Im learning alot about conformation and how important it is to try to achieve the (GOLDEN MIDDLE). As far as her eyes go she was staring into the sun. I have eyes so dark that they look black but when i stare into the sun they look light brown.

Animules

She was on a small slope up and i had to stare hard to see it. There was no photo shop.

Parenshep

Thank you for your observations. I agree that pedigree means nothing. that is why i posted the pic because the pedigree is not important in this case.

I am going to post my male to get your oppinions on his flaws and strengths

by watsongsd on 14 August 2008 - 02:08

No offense to the new people on the borad, but if I have not read a few of your posts, and you don't seem to know anything about dogs, I don't even read the posts. Just a hint to smart guy. Although I do see what paran shep is talking about wait till eichenluft, or sillbersee r some one else goes through a critique. Molly ( eichenluft) gives great structured critiques, and even though I cannot say I can prove that she is as good as a judge, i can say that I listen to what she says about dogs on here.

As far as you dog, I don't like the pasterns, or the croup . I think the flash messed the eyes up, and the back has a slight dip, like many non roached dogs. What do you prefer? I would round out the croup and shorten the pasterns. She can darken a saddle, and flatten a roach. I think her tail is fine but as I say with all my posts, I am a novice virtul breeder, who has read many critiques.

by smartguy1469 on 14 August 2008 - 03:08

watsongsd

If your a novice I am a SPEC of sand. I take everything i am told for what it is worth and just try to learn untill I can get a mentor or someone to train me in the ways of the GSD!! I am very impressed with molly and her dogs and Iwould love to meet her one day. I just moved to VA Beach two days ago so I will get there.

by paranshep on 14 August 2008 - 13:08

Blitzen, the person asked, "What are my girls physical flaws and strengfths?". They claimed to be asking for honesty and got it. There is a written standard for German Shepherds, both an AKC and a German SV one. They really vary very little It is the "Bible" of what breeders should try to follow when either buying a dog or breeding one. If the parents of this bitch were conformed as badly as the one pictured, its no wonder she turned out the way she did! Any large variations away from this standard is a fault and that is what a dog is judged against. When the inept can't read or have poor reading comprehension skills, there is always of course, the Urma book published each year in Sweden that shows what the top German judges are putting up. Ideally, the VA dogs are what the consider to be samples of the 8 - 10 best dogs to breed to. While their colors may vary, top lines, backs, croup, stifles, feet, pasterns, heads and ear sets are all clearly described and each dogs critiques are given by the judge. In addition to the above, many times the attitude of the dog is spoken of too. Now before you choose to go off on some tangent, all the dogs that were given a ranking had to pass the bite work the prior day in the titled dog and bitch classes. Most already have a Sch 2 or Sch 3 title, same as that given to any self respecting "working dog". However in addition to having the same working titles, they have to be "anatomically" correct, not just built and designed for a singular purpose such as so many poor breeders feel the working dog should be bred for. I am as much an admirer of a HOT champion or a Universal sieger as any person, as these are "working dogs" whose owners have sought to achieve the highest accomplishments for their dogs...and themselves. Yes, competing and showing dogs is still about egos. The rewards go to the owner and or breeders of such dogs. The dog only tries to please its master. I saw one writer mentioned a "cheap VA" dog. There is no such thing! Even try to buy a VA dog from Germany? Ever try to buy a dog from Germany that will go VA here? To send a dog to Germany for training and to get a Sch3 title will cost over $6,000 today! Why spend that much money on a dog you paid less than two thousand for in the first place? People will judge you by your dogs wins, now how nice your BS is. Years ago a man wrote, "Records live, opinions die". Meaning the records of an owners dogs will live forever, but the BS put out by their detractors, will die when they do. The dog world is like any other sport, its built like a pyramid with the base being made up of losers who do nothing but complain about the winners who reside at the top. Spend some money, that's the only way to start with a good prospect.

by Blitzen on 14 August 2008 - 18:08

I think it's possible to critique a dog in a positive way, paranshep. The SV judges do it all the time. Instead of comments like -"The croup and tail set on this dog are awful", couldn't you have said have said something like- I'd like to see a better croup and tail set and give you reasoning why? The rest of your critique is equally as meanspirited and negative as is your second post above. Just had to trash her again and call the quality of her parents into question, didn't you? What was the purpose of that?

by smartguy1469 on 15 August 2008 - 01:08

hey PARENSHEP

I was fine the first time you gave your oppinion on my dog in a rude way because I figured YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER must not have given you a hug thus you being a dick. You know just like how my bitch is so terrible because her mother and father were so bad in conformation. Now that you have done it twice I know your just an asshole. Sorry if im not very tactfull.

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