Breed Improvement Suggestions for the UK GSD Breed Council - Page 19

Sue B,

We need to start somewhere but I would agree with you that anything we do must take into account both show and work requirements of our breed.  That is why a suggestion of a two tier registration sounds a good basis to start from.  Whatever (if anything) comes out of this thread we are still in the hands of the KC who like a 'one size fits all' approach.  On this board we should be preaching to the converted so we need to be able to put forward suggestions that can enhance what the KC have.

The health test are out there but they are voluntary, would the KC refuse to register puppies from parents who have not undertaken these health test,  I think not.  Would they consider an alternative that allows them to continue to register all pedigree puppies bred but strengenth individual breeds by a two tier system the BC could ask. Would they allow the breed survey to become part of that tier system, again the BC can only ask.  Are the BC open to these suggestions/recomendations, again we can only ask.

Should the working test be mandatory. Maybe it is to early to make such a statement but should it be available I would say YES.  In any suggestion/recomendation made to the BC for consideration there should be some get out clause.  You may not agree but lets face it we can keep talking and talking going round in circles but that will get nothing done. How can we get action?

Jess

the year for the test was 1990. i think you would have been showing Nacale them it was advertised  and championed by Roy and Clarrisa Allen but most of the attendees were trials enthusiasts (from memory there were only two show dogs )

My frustration over the non recogntion of sch test stems from the fact that we are almost the only country that dont do it, are we right and everyone else wrong! our kennel club will not even recognise in the registration working titles so hard to gain but dream up PR exercises like the accreddited breeder charter thing which at best is a simple animal husbandry statement

I think we all now NOTHING of any real benefit will happen and the void between our breed which in the uk is split 3 ways will continue to widen we will all continue to look over to the other side and tell them they are doing it wrong and our noble breed will be the VICTIM

Misbeed

if you chect out the GSDL WB website  http://www.gsdleague-workingbranch.com/ check events there shoulb be one not to far from you

Reason, you sound like you're on the verge of throwing in the towel... don't go there!  As Oscar Wilde said, "It's not failure but lack of effort that's the crime".  Don't be ground down, there's always hope!

Sue, I'm no longer a member of any club... ours went UK - ish about 5 years ago.  There are no other clubs in my county.

Don't the BC have to introduce any letters to the BC under AOB?  Eeeeh, they don't make it easy do they?

Iam now willing to admit defeat in my campaign for a real system due to lack of real interest from both sides, but the two tier system has merit with whatever criteria coulb be agreed

I would urge the BC BAGSD and GSDL to sit down and agree a meaningfull working aptitude test which coulb be made as part of the breed survey with a clear classification to define pass or fail of it

To start you of,it should testes steadiness (calm assurance) prey drive (the basis of training) noise sensitivity or it should simply incorporate the BH test (sue b you dont need to go to a sch club to train a BH test ists simple obedience and scialability

If that to far for now how about at a survey

Offlead gaiting, gun test ,short down stay, play with a stranger with a toy, jump a simpe obsticale it would at least be a start ans it just might get people interested in finding out what there dogs are

Reason, thanks for the link.  You know, when people start doing a little work with their dogs, lots of them get pretty keen... it's how most of us started isn't it?   I always found WT a lot more interesting than showing and the Trialers are such a friendly helpful bunch.  I trust the SCH lot are the same!

Maybe it will have to start with something really simple but it will get MANY interested.

Reason, where are Saltire, South Valley and White Rose please?

The Breed Survey needs to be the crucial element of a two tier KC registration system, this would enable the Breed Survey to be redeveloped to include additional tests and requirements. I imagine we could discuss this in principal with the Kennel Club and they may wish some input into a Breed Survey. The redevelopment could take a year or more, and allow ideas, discussion, and agreements to be made. The Kennel Club could also offer other breeds the same two tier system with the inclusion of an agreed Breed Survey for their particular breeds. This then facilitates the "one size fits all" approach of the Kennel Club. Of course each breed can and will develop a Breed Survey that suits its breed, and health issues will obviously be an important inclusion.

In a previous life I was a committee member of Sheffield GSD Society, we had training nights every week, match nights etc, now apparently the training nights no longer exist because 'there is no interest'

We also held educational events and ran puppy socialisation classes as well as obedience and ring training.  I would love to take my dog and train, he is probably up to general obedience and some tracking, but there is nowhere suitable within our city, methods of training I have found unsuitable at most of the general training clubs. 

As much as I agree that dogs should be tested in aspects of character and general obedience, perhaps leading to more advanced training, the simple fact is that the facilities are not there anymore.  How many of the breed clubs still have training nights, and more to the point how can we get them back.

These nights were brilliant for socialising, seeing new dogs grow up etc, they were a enjoyable event for the owners too and surely thats what dog ownership is about, enjoying our dogs.

Reason I'm with Misbeeb - don't throw in the towel.

Misbeeb to answer you query re schutzhund clubs.  Saltire is in the Glasgow area, White Rose is in the Brighouse ara of West Yorkshsire and South Valley is in the Guilford, Surrey area.

So Videx we are all talking around this subject of a two tier registration system the finer detials of which may cause some debate.  How do we get this to the KC or the BC or both?

Jess