Von Hunterhaus, 39 dogs seized - Page 17

Gsdstudent,
Interesting observation by you.  You may be onto something.  What better way to mislead authorities and buy 
time than to claim dogs are owned by other people and then magically , NOT give that information.  Hmmmmmm
Also if there are legit co owners, boarders, what-have-you...WHY AREN'T THEY SPEAKING UP?
Why is it that only  northwoods seems to know the identity of these people , LOLOL
If I knew for a fact that I had a dog in there, and could prove it or a friend with a dog in there 
I WOULD BE RAISING THE ROOF with info, identity , photos, contacts to the 
whole world , until I got a response...and I wouldn't stop until EVERYONE could see that 
"Hey! This is my dog!!!!! of This is my Friend's Dog!!!!!"

Or maybe there are NO co owners as GSDstudent suggests..only smoke and mirros..OR
maybe the other people are complicit in this canine Hell on Earth?   

The silence is deafening .  Oh but of course I am sure that none of her supposed co owners, 'ooarders, 
etc, have computer, fax, or telephone access to anyone else in the whole world , and are unable to get out the word.
Yes , that makes sense. 

 

I guess it will all come out in the end, who did who wrong.
Let's just hope the dogs get to where they belong, wether it's with a rightful owner or new adopter.

Yes Northwoods, 
I agree with that sentiment completely .  Honestly there is nothing to be done but wait..
all of us.  
 

I have prosecuted numerous animal cruelty cases including a breeder/hoarder with 200+ dogs.  In my experience, what is relayed in the media and what is gossiped about online is rarely the whole truth - and sometimes is completely lacking a factual basis of reality.  I cannot express how frustrating it is for a prosecutor such as myself to read misstatements and armchair lawyering on the internet about a case of mine and not being able to correct those misstatements.  I do not know anymore about this case than what has been printed in the media and on this site.  I personally do not take these type of sources as something to hang my hat on.  A case will likely proceed in this matter.  If there are search issues I am sure the defense will raise those issues.  I know in my case there were many people on the internet who became instant experts in search and seizure in regards to the State obtaining and search warrant and seizing the animals.  However, after reviewing the search warrant documents the defense counsel in that case determined that the warrant was valid and it went no further.  I mention this only to suggest that a determination on the web that law enforcement overstepped their bounds in seizing these animals should be taken with a grain of salt at this time. 

I would never do it to one of my dogs, but it would be interesting to see what a small crate with a large Shepherd in it looked like after 34 hours or so. They can poop alot...and when it is tracked down and they dig at the cage, I am guessing it would get dried and caked on pretty quickly. Apparently Dawn is claiming she was going to clean and feed but was detained for 24 hours. If you give her 10-12 hours between cleanings/feedings, that would be roughly 34-36 hours. I know these look pretty bad, and I am not condoning, but it would be interesting to see. I once left my Shepherd in a Utility/Laundry room for 10 hours. He had some diahrrhea and I felt it was too cold to leave him outside. I couldn't believe how mush mess, and he had tramped through it all and it looked like he had been in there for a week! This is a room that is about 8x12 feet...much bigger than the crates. I also know that when you put a large house broken dog in a kennel and they have a "mess" they often kind of freak out trying to get out, which would spread the mess around much more and they can also get "explosive" diahrrhea from the stress. Would never put my dog in that kind of situation, but it would be interesting to see what happened if someone put a dog in a crate for 36 hours, provided them with food and water and then saw what it looked like...

I have never met ANY of the people involved in this situation. I just think there are so many red-flags in how this was handled. The cages are terrible, but they typically seize dogs because of immediate danger to the dogs. Everyone involved is admitting these dogs are in great condition. Immediately they said they had found homes for the dogs. Now they may be changing statements, but Perez went on record right off the bat saying they don't care if there are other owners...they won't get their dogs back. He said Dawn surrendered the dogs so if there is a breach it is between them and Dawn, but that they wouldn't get the dogs back! So, you can say what you want, but this is not a reputable seizure and this is not a shelter anyone should be encouraging people to support! I can't believe Victory is encouraging people to give money, knowing the statements Perez has made. No matter what you believe about Dawn and her dogs...it seems pretty obvious that people have stepped forward, because Perez said they wouldn't get their dogs back!

And as for the silence on the other owner's part...it is hard to know if there are truly owners and why we haven't heard from them or who they are, but I will tell you that the first thing ANY attorney would tell their client would be to remain silent and not talk to the media. They would be warned not to make statements. So, while it is entirely possible it is a smoke and mirrors, I would say it is probably more likely that they have obtained lawyers and are proceeding through the courts and not trying this in the media!
 

No, dromeijn, they did NOT say the dogs were in great condition, no one has, and I quote "Some of the dogs were found to be extremely emaciated, dehydrated, and had layers of fecal matter embedded on their hair and skin. One male dog had a wound to the face that had gone untreated for months, and coupled with the unsanitary conditions, the infection went into the bones. The dog has now gone through one surgery, and will most likely need to go through more surgeries to save his life."
How do you get the facts so wrong? You protest you don't know anyone involved. Me thinks thow doth protest too much.
 

Ah, dromeign, how dare you post something so SENSIBLE ?
People here just do not want to hear a 'voice of reason' ? !!


Nothing wrong at all with caring about animals;  but clearly some
posters do not care about people, one little jot.  So if someone IS
mentally ill - have they NO sympathy to spare for them ?   I suggest that
if she is a hoarder and /or having a breakdown (and unable to see where
things are about to go very wrong, without help and an organised dispassionate
approach from the HS, or ASPCA)  then we ought to at least recognise that
it might happen to any of us.   If somebody had a physical problem and stopped
caring properly for their animals,  maybe there would be a little more concern ?
If the breeder WAS detained, if it's made impossible for her to get to the dogs for
even a few hours [let alone 12, or 36, or whichever report you choose to believe],
can nobody, while condemning her, comprehend what the results of that might be ?

Thank you for the graphic description of the mess ONE dog can make,
in a clean room, in 10 hours.  That is what I was getting at earlier.  Some
posters are reacting to these photographs as though they show weeks -
worth of not being cleaned.  They really do NOT.  Many people  who keep a couple of
house-dogs often do not have any concept of this sort of situation, and rather than tell
me I am a crap-talking monster for acknowledging that there might be extenuating
circumstances, they ought to be examining why they are so sure they are right ?
Talk about "holier than thou". 

Did you watch the video of the dogs as they came out? Did you see emaciated dogs? They said they were dehydrated because they "ate snow" when they came out of the house! My dog eats snow every time he goes outside, even though he has a water dish right there! When my dughter throws snowballs with him he would chase and eat them all day! I think that is part of the problem, the evidence they are showing and the evidence that is in the statements is conflicting! Which is a huge red flag!! In the initial statement they said how there were crates stacked on top of crates in there nd feces running from one into the other. Look at all the pictures...not one stacked crate! Nowhere! I'm not saying these don't look bad, but, it is just my understanding that she has said that she was going to clean when she was detained by the sheriff's department and was held and detained by them for 21 + hours. I don't know if this is true, I certainly have only what everyone else on here appears to have, second and third hand accounts. I am not saying she is innocent, I am not saying she is guilty. I am saying if you had moved all your dogs inside for a storm and were forced to put them in crates, and you cleaned and took the dogs out every 12 hours if you were detained 21 + hours, I DO think it is possible the crates would look like this. Big dog, small crate, almost 36 hours could very well = 5-8 large bowel movements in small crate. Especially when their nerves kick in. I say since we really don't know the whole story, why not at least be open to what may have happened here and at least let this woman be innocent until proven guilty, a novel little concept we hold dear here in America!!
 

Don't know these people, but in following the case in the news came upon the Facebook page (seems they have 2) of the boyfriend and there are photos and a couple of videos on there showing what the house used to look like inside a couple of years ago.  In the one video it is clearly the same place, you can see the same table and chairs, same walls, carpeting, etc. as in the raid photos of the news reports.  Whatever happened, the house used to look clean and perfectly normal and she obviously was living in it because in one video a woman is sitting at the same table that is piled with junk in the news photos.  The dogs also looked way better and healthier.livlier back then.

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