Top Showlines with good protection phase - Page 17

Ule is a very strong female and does pass this to her progeny (Griff being one example).  Ghandi is well known as "Top Showline with good protection phase".  The other side of Griff's work ethic comes from his strong father line.  Dux, through the well known work temperament Hill, with a direct father line back to Mutz von der Pelztierfarm (one of the three pillars).  Much has been written about Mutz and what he has given to the modern German Shepherd.  Although Amigo does show up in many of the examples in this thread, including Ule's, one has to be careful of too much Amigo in their pedigree.  He was known to be a bit "lazy" in obedience.  This is a consideration for the sport of schutzhund. 

No matter which you roll the dice and no matter which way you cut it it will all come down to Mutz.

Quartz is an Amigo son and Amigo has Mutz several time in his ancestry......

But just having Mutz in your pedigree is too wide a net.... you will have to look at additional contributers....

@ dogwood..... Good point.... too much Amigo may result in a dog that is more "Amigo" and less business!.....

:) Just being a little amigo!

lol, nice one 

I would be thrilled if any board members in Germany would contribute, such a wider pool to choose from there.

You guys are doing a super job, Ibrahim, hats off we are lucky to have you here :) Trying to keep up as to not get too far behind, you guys are fast!!!

Barbie

If we include (and I believe we should) Juneau vom Haus Tyson, we have 4 dogs out of 10 with recent lineage to Ulk von Arlett.  Ule and Vandal have him through Ghandi von Arlett.

I've always considered this no "accident" regarding recent producers of useful temperament.  Genuinely curious what conclusions you all come to that may be educational...

Kevin Nance

Some info excerpted from an Online article:

In  previous years the names of top winning breed dogs often appeared in the pedigrees of  important working dog.  The working dog breeders made frequent  use of these dogs.
Nowadays however, one has to search very hard to find names of top show winners who feature  as sires  of dogs  competing  in  working dog trials.
There are only a handful of  breed winners that working dog breeders are prepared to use.  Here are names of a few V.A. animals with offspring that competed in the Bundessiegerprufung. 
 "Quartz dei Templari"  "Odin v. Hirschel"  "Jango v. Furstenberg"  'Eiko v. Kirschental", "Ulk v. Arlett"  "Enzo v. Buchhorn and a few others.   
It should be noted however, that virtually every instance the above mentioned dogs did not have many offspring that competed, only an occasional son or daughter!
Furthermore the offspring  that did compete did not perform particularly well in  the Bundessiegerprufung.  They were never placed in top positions.
In fact one has to go as far  back to  1997 to find one of the very few examples of a dog with the bloodlines of a top show winner being placed in the first three  in the Bundessiegerprufung.
"Nastor  vom Wolfsburger Schloss", placed third with a V' rated score of  288 points in 1997, was sired by  "Cliff v. Huhnegrab", a son of the V.A. dog  "Derby vom Adeloga"

Mutz von der Pelztierfarm                                                  

Mutz,along with Quanto v. Wienerau and Canto v. Wienerau was one of three pillars of the breed.
In the same way as our  study of Quanto v. Wienerau began with the study  of Rolf vom Osnabruckerland, in examining Mutz’s background it is of interest to discuss   a very important ancestor whose influence on the post-war German Shepherd Dog in Germany and also in America was considerable, Axel vd. Deininghauserheide.
During the period just after the war no Sieger  title was awarded.  At the annual national show the top dogs were classified V.A.    In 1949 and 1950 Axel received this V.A. classification.  He was described as a  “medium size, powerfully  built dog with good chest of chest, good angulation, sure temperament, powerful outreaching gait with driving rear action development.   Back was firm and strong but rather long.”
Axel was noted for his excellent, firm temperament a quality he handed down to many of his descendants.   In , in the 1956 February issue of the American magazine “The German Shepherd Dog Review”, a well-known American German Shepherd Dog breeder, Margaret Fischer had this to day about Axel, whom she had seen  the previous year in Germany:

 “My special liking went to the great old,   Axel v.d. Deininghauserheide who ranks besides rolf v. Osnabruckerland as one of German’s greatest sires.  He is a dog of superb structure and extraordinary vitality and fire.  His gait alone was such that he could outrun even those ahead of him …his owner, and Officer in the police takes Axel regularly with him on duty …”

 Axel was the sire of  5 V.A. animals, including the first Sieger after the war, the 1955 Sieger Alf. V. Nordfelsen  and the 1957 German Siegerin “W

Contd.:   

 Axel was the sire of  5 V.A. animals, including the first Sieger after the war, the 1955 Sieger Alf. V. Nordfelsen  and the 1957 German Siegerin “Wilma v. Richterbach”  He also sired a number of American champions, the most important of which was the 1957 Grand Victor “Troll v. Richterbach”.   Troll  who had a tremendous influence on the development of the breed in America through his son “Fortune of Arbywood” who was the sire of Lance of Fran-Jo
 Alex also sired the 1960 American Grand Victor “Axel v. Poldihaus” and the 1957 Canadian Grand Victor “Ero v.d. Auwallenburg”
In Germany the 1955 Sieger “Alf v. Nordfelsen” was very highly regarded as a dominant Sire who reproduced his own qualities to the extent that his sons and daughters were instantly recognizable.
An interesting feature about Axel’s blood is that it has proved particularly suitable for animals wit the blood of the second great deal we have discussed  “Rolf v. Osnabruckerland”
For example, if we examine the pedigree of “Troll v. Richterbach” we find that his Dam, “Lende v. Richterbach” was a daughter of the excellent producing bitch “Rosel v. Osnambruckerland” litter sister of Rolf’s and Dam of Hein v. Richterbach.
An examination of the pedigree of “Mutz von der Pelztierfarm” reveals that here again the combination of Axel and Rolf blood is  featured.   
The Sire of Mutz was Axel v. Pelztierfarm,  who was an Alf v. Nordfelsen grandson.
The pedigree of Axel’s dam, “Afra von Haus Bickert” reflected the  Rolf v. Osnabruckerland  influence through   “Regina von Colonia Agrippina”, a Rolf daughter.
Mutz was Reserve Sieger in 1970.  A very popular, dominant  stud  produced  7 V.A. animals. Here are extracts from  his Koer report:

 “Very expressive, medium size male.  Dry, sold bones with very good angulation. Forechest could be more pronounced.  Croup is slight steep.  Good front, good strong pasterns.  Good back, far reaching gait.   Confident and unconcerned.  Pronounced defence drive.  Lively, alert and fearless. Colour: Black and tan with grey markings. Black mask.  Strong head and good depth of muzzle.  Very good strength of back. Good strong pasterns and hocks…”

 Mutz had a particularly strong temperament  and for this reason was favoured by many working dog breeders.  His son, “Anderl vom Kleinen Pfahl, bred by Hermann Stiedl, but owned by Erich Orschler was well used by many who admired his working ability.  Many of today’s working dog winners carry the blood of Mutz through Anderl vom Kleinen Pfahl, for example the exceptionally fine working dogs Xato bosen Nachbarschaft and Quasy bosen Nachbarschaft.
It is interesting to note that Mutz’s influence on the modern German Shepherd comes mostly from his son “Jonny von der Rheinhalle” rather than his V.A. son, the “Jonny” litter brother “Jalk”.
Although Jonny,  was never in the V.A. class, as was his litter brother “Jalk” he proved to be a far more important source of “Mutz” blood.  This was mainly due to the  excellent “Jonny” son “Jupp von der Haller Farm”.
Jonny also sired  “Lump Osterbergerland”  who was not only a top breed specimen, being placedV2  at the 1980 Sieger Show, but he also produced some excellent working stock.
 Jupp, the sire of Dax von der Wienerau was mentioned earlier in our discussion  about the dam of Odi

This is good...  Appreciate all of the contributors to this thread.  :)