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by k9ulf on 23 January 2009 - 18:01


Quote: At the annualGerman Sieger Show, the largest single breed SHOW in the World, the SV National Breed Warden, determines the interpretation of OUR BREEDS STANDARD in practical and VISUAL terms, FOR THE WORLD TO SEE. Anyone else's opinion that DIFFERS from that interpretation is WRONG.

Who says that? Its just like believing everthing a politician says is right

by Bob McKown on 23 January 2009 - 18:01

Videx:

           Thank you for the ________________________ . So   the breed warden is for what ever reason money or favor is the answer to my question.

Videx? have you ever read the written standard? if you have and you still want to argue at who is at fault by all means you can go around on this merry go round all day long...   

by jennie on 23 January 2009 - 18:01

Compared to the majority of todays showdogs I think those two dogs are better looking, and more importantly better workers and helathy, wich is so much more important for a dog used for work. Obviously they interpret the standard different today compared to what they did about 40 years ago, if the showpeople want a dog that aren´t fit for hard work then who cares what they think. Better countinue breeding GSDs that are more like the GSD were before the show/workingsplit. A GSD here in Sweden doesn´t need any showratings to be breed, despite that the majority of them looks closer to what many GSDs looked as in former time, it seems that the intresst in showing have removed many of todays GSDs from the original function and looks of the dogs in former times. So I can´t see any value in a standard that is not judged with the dogs best in mind, as workingdogs of course.

This dog I think is pretty handsome, why can´t the ideal structure be something like this, or is it something wrong with a structure like this, you tell me Videx.
www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/437478.html



4pack

by 4pack on 23 January 2009 - 18:01

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/573056.html

Above is a very "typical" Videx breeding. Note the titled dogs are out of other kennels and the Videx dogs are untitled.

I must ask...how long have you been breeding GSD David? How many litters? I went through every Videx dog I could find on the PDB and found 4 that are titled, not 1 is out of your own stock. Ice is also someone elses hard work, breeding dogs that are titled.

Varus           
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/129369.html
Quena          
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/501101.html
Quella          
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/441975.html
Cassandra 
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/133763.html


So why so many Videx dogs with incolplete peds and untitled parents? When a parent is titled, it's usually the stud dog and he is not yours. If your bitches are titled, they were bought from other kennels that way. Videx Razor is a nice looking dog of yours you use, yet again, not titled. Why not? Those in glass houses David....you know the rest.

Please don't call the above assumption, I belive it is factual.


Videx

by Videx on 23 January 2009 - 18:01

It is clearly pointless making further comment, so many on here cannot and will not stick to the THREAD. Many fail to undestand or acknowledge facts, even when simply explained. Many even fail to accept the German SV authority in respect of interpreting the Breed Standard, and the evidence of our PREMIER German GSD Breed Show. I am frankly astounded by the ignorance and lack of knowledge and thought prevailent in so many posts on this thread.

4pack

by 4pack on 23 January 2009 - 18:01

1) Angulation and Movement

The German Shepherd Dog is a trotter. His gait exhibits diagonal movement, i.e., the hind foot and the forefoot on opposite sides move simultaneously. The limbs, therefore, must be so similarly proportioned to one another, i.e. angulated, that the action of the rear as it carries through to the middle of the body and is matched by an equally far-reaching forehand causes no essential change in the topline. Every tendency toward overangulation of the rear quarters diminishes soundess and endurance. The correct proportions of height to length and corresponding length of the leg bones results in a ground-eating gait that is low to the ground and imparts an impression of effortless progression. With his head thrust forward and a slightly raised tail, a balanced and even trotter will have a topline that falls in moderate curves from the tip of the ears over the neck and level back through the tip of the tail.

2) Temperament, Character and Abilities

Sound nerves, alertness, self-confidence, trainability, watchfulness, loyalty and incorruptibility, as well as courage, fighting drive and hardness, are the outstanding characteristics of a purebred German Shepherd Dog. They make his suitable to be a superior working dog in general, and in particular to be a guard, companion, protection and herding dog.
His ample scenting abilities, added to his conformation as a trotter, make it possible for him to quietly and surely work out a track without bodily strain and with his nose close to the ground. This makes him highly useful as a multipurpose track and search dog.
 


4pack

by 4pack on 23 January 2009 - 18:01

14) Color

Color should be black with regular markings in brown, tan to light gray, also with a black saddle, dark sable (black cover on a gray or light brown case with corresponding lighter marks), black, uniform gray or with light or brown markings. Small white markings on the forechest or a very light color on the insides of the legs are permissible though not desired. The nose must be black with all coat colors. (Dogs with little or no masks, yellow or strikingly light eyes, light markings on the chest and insides of the legs, white nails and a red tip of the tail or washed out weak colors are considered lacking in pigment.) The undercoat or base hair is always light gray, with the exception of that on black dogs. the final color of a puppy is only determined when the outer coat completely develops.

15) Coat

a) The medium smooth coated German Shepherd Dog

The outer coat should be as thick as possible. The individual hairs are straight, coarse and lying flat against the body. The coat is short on the head inclusive of the ears, the front of the legs, the feet and the toes but longer and thicker on the neck. The hair grows longer on the back of the fore- and hind legs as far down as the pastern and the hock joint, forming moderate breeching on the thighs. the length of the hair varies, and due to these differences in length, there are many intermediate forms. A too short or molelike coat is faulty.

b) The long smooth coated German Shepherd Dog

The individual hairs are longer, not always straight and above all not lying close to the body. The coat is considerably longer inside and behind the ears, on the back of the forearm and usually in the loin area. now and then there will be tufts in the ears and feathering from elbow to pastern. The breeching along the thigh is long and thick. The tail is bushy with slight feathering underneath. the long-smooth-coat is not as weatherproof as the medium-smooth-coat and is therefore undesirable; however, provided there is sufficient undercoat, it may be passed for breeding, as long as the breed regulations of the countr allow it.
With the long smooth coated German Shepherd Dog, a narrow chest and narrow overstretched muzzle are frequently found.

c) The long coated German Shepherd Dog

The coat is considerably longer than that of the long-smooth-coat. It is generally very soft and forms a parting along the back. The udnercoat will be found in the region of the loins or will not be present at all. A long coat is greatly diminished in weatherproofing and utility and therefore is undesirable.


snajper69

by snajper69 on 23 January 2009 - 18:01

LoL. Do as I say and not as I do lol hahahahaha

Videx

by Videx on 23 January 2009 - 18:01

4pack, your last post has made you look the fool you clearly are. MANY READING IT MUST OF CRINGED, I will leave it to others to explain. Your ignorance is so obvious, I have no time nor inclination to teach you the very basics of German Qualifications. Please go away and learn for yourself, if you can.

4pack

by 4pack on 23 January 2009 - 18:01

=Faults=

Faults include anything that impairs working versatility, endurance and working competency, especially lack of sex characteristics and temperament traits contrary to the German Shepherd Dog such as apathy, weak nerves or overexcitability, shyness; lack of vitality or willingness to work; monorchids and cryptorchids and testicles too small; a soft or flabby constitution and a lack of substance; fading pigment; blues, albinos (with complete lack of pigmentation, e.g. pink nose, etc.) and whites (near to pure white with black nose); over and under size; stunted growth; high-legged dogs and those with an overloaded forechest; a disproportionaltely short, too refined or coarse build; a soft back, too steep a placement of the limbs and anything depreciating the reach and endurance of gait; a muzzle that is too short, blunt, weak , pointed or narrow and lacks strength; an over-or undershot bite or any other faults of dentition, especially weak or worn teeth; a coat that is too soft, too short or too long; a lack of undercoat; hanging ears, a permanently faulty ear carriage or cropped ears; a ringed, curled or generally faulty tail set; a docked tail (stumpy) or a naturally short tail.






 


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