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Amazing!!  and Fantastic Event in history...  Americans need to remember though this is only the FIRST step in a very very long journey to recover from the worst financial situation in our lifetimes. Obama, Biden, McCain and the rest of government officials are going to have themselves tested severly.  I believe that we NEED someone with the energy  that Obama has shown, the energy to recharge an apathetic populas and work together to overcome the problems.  We had 8 years under G.W.B and 8 under his father, and 8 under Reagan  creating an elitist class of corporate leaders who have been given tax breaks while shipping OUR JOBS to China, Sri Lanka and South America. 

I give HUGE KUDOS to McCain for his gracious concession speech!  I hope that his followers LISTEN TO HIM!! The campain is over... and we need to work together now. The President has been chosen by a LARGE majority vote... I think something like 64% of WHITE VOTERS chose Obama... not just minority groups. The last individual I saw who created this kind of passion and hope amount the people was Kennedy.  Whatever your personal choice was 2 days ago... today we ALL have one president elect... and he needs everyone's support and help to start fixing things for all of us. 

(BTW.. over 60% of voters earning over 200K also voted for Obama!! Even though he said they would bear the strain of rebuilding cause the poorer people can't afford another penny out of their pockets.)

Aw, ugly, now you've really lost it.  You're reduced to the  the mythical "THEY":  "THEY Control the COPS."  The Philly DA and McCain's lawyer control the Philly cops.  Uh, sure they do.  (LOL)

Don't put words in my mouth.  I don't call it a "non incident because there was no follow up."  Make no mistake.  It was a non-incident because NO ONE WAS BLOCKED FROM VOTING - NOT ONE.  If a white college student who wanted to get on tv said "I'm intimidated" and the black panthers were made to move on, fine by me.  I have no problem with cops telling some guy with a nightstick to move along, but it's very interesting that no one - it was Philly, after all - complained.  If you spend any time in any big city, you see a LOT more threatening stuff than a guy with a nightstick.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7788840&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

"The day will sooon come....And that's a promise."  What does this mean?  Who are you threatening?  A friendly word:  Don't.  No one here is afraid of you.  You thrive on fear and threats: "vote from the rooftops", calling for "beatdowns" and "stompings", calling names and using the tactics of Goebbels and Lenin.  Real Americans brush you off like a horse flicks off a fly.  We kicked the *ss of tiny, dictatorial minds like you in two World Wars.  And remember: the law comes down hard nowadays on those who threaten on-line.  There is no anonymity on the internet.

Ok, your turn.  As today's discussion has proceeded, you are decompensating more rapidly.  Can't wait to see the next level.

 

All,

I'm going to congratulate the Democratic Party and the selection of Barack Obama as our next President of the United States of America. It has been no secret  I have supported John McCain for the White House, but  it will at least be nice to finally see a black American become President. I believe America isn't a racist nation. This election proves the point. Sorry Blitzen/Mystere if you feel otherwise. This election for me has always been about politics.....NOT ABOUT SOMEONES RACE, or for that matter, GENDER.

Although I'm no fan of Barack Obama's abilities or experience, for the sake of our country, I hope I'm wrong about him. The next four years are going to be very difficult and so I hope Obama is wiser, less radical, and considerably more competent and prepared to lead this great nation.

The challenges he will be faced with are HUGE: a recession, enormous deficits, more bailouts, international crises, Al-Qaeda, living up to the expectations as a President who will fix all our problems, unify the country, make the whole world love us. Most importanly a President who will "change" whatever we personally don't happen to like about America.

So, good luck, Obama.........

God Bless America

RPK

 

In all fairness, I think some commentary from people who did not vote for obama should be expected and is more about expressing normal disappointment than "bitching and moaning".  I can only speak for myself  when I say that I followed this election very closely and it was important to me.  So it is only natural that I and folks like myself are feeling a little let down the morning after.  I shudder to think about the public reaction that would have followed a Mccain win, would everyone have called it bitching and moaning then?  Just because my candidate did not win, does not mean that I will not try and do my part to support this country.  All of us here voted (I hope) and that means we got involved and contributed a small part which is great in itself. 

I don't know what the true intentions of the black panthers at the voting polls were, from seeing the video it did look like their purpose was to intimidate and that is unfortunate, because obviously their candidate did not need their help, I mean he already had the media and acorn on his side, ha ha.  Also their presence would not have stopped me from getting my vote in anyway.    Oh, Windwalker, where did you get that statistic about 60% of people making over 200k voted for obama because if it was from an exit poll, it is not accurate.  No matter what your income or situation in life is, everyone should have some personal responsibility and stake in this economy and country, not just wealthy people.  I feel like not enough are honest with themselves about what they can do to be responsible for their lives and family.  For example, many people are complaining about healthcare costs or insurance for their families and how they cannot afford it, I personally know too many people who choose cable television or a big screen tv over health insurance for their kids.  Once again, this is not ALL people, but still too many.  It's about priorities people.  My husband and I would like to have kids, but we don't yet because we can't afford it, simple as that.  I refuse to have kids and let someone else pay for them.  I think that if more people in this country looked to themselves for change and not a candidate or a government to fix everything, we would be better off.

Well RPK, spoken like a true American and more over, a true gentleman as I know you to be. Giving President elect Obama, Senator McCain and all our elected officials the opportunity to represent us, rather than threaten violence as Ugly does over and over, is the right thing and the true sign of a patriot. 

RPK, you are correct. The challenges our leaders now face are really overwhelming. But, we are a resilient people and if we will stop bitching and instead start pitching in to provide insight and ideas and support, we can overcome some of the problems sooner than later. Others will take a long, long time to solve, just as they took a long time to manifest.

Ugly's threats, veiled as he thinks they are, are not so veiled to certain authorities. Again I say he is damn lucky he lives here and can abuse the concept of freedom of speech. In many places in the world he would be in prison or six feet under. His hateful rhetoric does nothing to advance the cause of our nation, or freedom, or anything else worthwhile. I do not fear my government, but I am certainly concerned about nut cases like Ugly. He represents the "going postal" mentality. Hopefully someone will get him some medication soon before he does implode........

 

Tygerlily,

I think that among those of us who are pleased with the outcome of the election, you will find few of us here, if any, who object to one idea in your post. You come with disappointment, but a mature and reasonable disappointment. Further, you come with the realization that yes, it is, first and foremost, about individual responsibility. So that engenders only high respect from me, and I suspect from many others here.

You are the kind of person with whom we can discuss an issue in rational terms. We may not always agree, but because we both will want to find a way to proceed down the road, we will find a way to do it without resorting to threats. If you are really so young, you show a wisdom beyond your years. Good for you. I have no doubt that you will do your best to provide support always in order to make things better. You are the kind of American we also need in this country.....

It will take all of us to make this work.

So our new president is chosen as have been a few new positions in the House and Senate. I do not like this guy at all; did not vote for him, and probably never will. It is certainly not a “racial” issue with me for he cannot be racially identified. Like perhaps many people I was severely disappointed with the quality of the candidates offered by most of the other parties. But that said; one (1) thing is for sure. Whatever our county becomes after February 2009, it will not be an exact repeat of the past eight (8) years of Bush rule. While I seriously doubt anything major will happen, I do hope for indictments, trials, and punishment for actions best described as “high crimes and treason” committed by members of the Bush regime against the American people and to some extent parts of the world. A lot to wish for-I know.

You and I both know that a president has very little power in our country; other than deciding the course and extent of foreign policy and foreign aid. But, our CEO to the world does not need to present himself as being illiterate, stupid, cowardly, and a friend to corrupt criminals as has George W. Bush.

Was the outcome of this election decided by a group of poorly-informed and inexperienced young people and university students who were very excited to vote in their first presidential election and who naively reacted to buzzwords such as “change”? Perhaps it was-we will never know for sure. Was it a ridiculous waste of a tremendous amount of money? I certainly think so, but so has been the Iraq war. But, the election is over; change is inevitable and we need to apply that change to ourselves.
 
We do need to get off our gluttonous, obese, television-watching broad and fat asses and take charge-whatever that means in a personal sense. Won’t happen with most-I know. In the end we are each and all responsible for who finally makes it to an office of high position, even though voting may sometimes seem to be a useless endeavour. I for one felt that way this time, and probably always will about this election as well as the past two (2) elections. But I will continue to actively read, listen, decide, and vote as it is the only safe (for me, at least) way to effect change.
 
Best Regards,
Bob-O

With Victory in Hand, Obama Aides Say Task Now Is to Temper High Expectations

President-elect Barack Obama has begun an effort to tamp down what his aides fear are unusually high expectations among his supporters, and will remind Americans regularly throughout the transition that the nation’s challenges are substantial and will take time to address.

Mr. Obama’s advisers said they were startled, if gratified, by the jubilation that greeted the news of Mr. Obama’s victory in much of the United States and abroad. But while the energy of his supporters could be a tremendous political asset as Mr. Obama works to enact his agenda after taking office in January, his aides said they were looking to temper hopes that he would be able to solve the nation’s problems or fully reverse Bush administration policies quickly and easily, especially given the prospect of a deep and long-lasting recession.

“We have talked about this,” said Robert Gibbs, a senior adviser to Mr. Obama. “It’s important that everybody understands that this is not going to happen overnight. There has to be a realistic expectation of what can happen and how quickly.”

In other words, kiddies, Barack does not, contrary to popular belief, walk on water.  The stock market dived 500 points today, and with foreign markets tanking this evening, expect further Dow losses tomorrow.

Much taken by the work situation, Shelley. No idea of your age, naturally, but do know highly experienced folk in their forties/fifties who can’t even get an interview. But, and with many more set to share your plight, why aren’t you cheering this change with both arms? You can’t have figured you’d suddenly be better off under McCain! The world doesn’t owe anyone a living, but politicians do owe their best in providing, in your words, “the opportunity to reach your potential.” How did the Republicans fare in this respect over the past eight years! At least Obama has pledged to do just that, and who knows, maybe he’s got the brains to bring it about. I think McCain is probably a nice feller but for the life of me can’t see that he would have been up to the job.

Lost too with your attitude on Iraq and Afghanistan. Over 4000 dead US soldiers in what’s basically a thankless task, with countless maimed; why wouldn’t they be overjoyed to come home! And charity surely starts at home? Afghanistan is as unwinnable as Vietnam – the Taliban will fight forever and win no matter how long it takes - in the longer-term another ready-made quagmire. Except for oil interests, both wars are ghastly blunders I think; a convoluted can of sectarian/political worms not amenable to Western military might. Now that Saddam is gone why not let Iraq resolve its own domestic madness, whereas Afghani leadership mostly comprise (ex?) warlords, drug bosses and other assorted villains.

You mention ‘dilemmas’: better believe it! Non-stop absurdities in this thread about welfare largesse and whatnot! For next three or four years it will be well nigh fiscally impossible or prohibitive for anything of the sort; even if the Democrats were so hell-bent (which Obama’s comments hardly support!) No, they’ll be totally preoccupied with putting the economy on some kind of viable footing - fixing Bush’s brave economic idiocies! By the time that’s done, Obama will face the electors once more: why all the uber angst!

In fact, the Democrats are dealt a horrendous hand, with Obama facing immense problems; since Roosevelt, the worst in fact. All of the normal options stand depleted. Increase taxes across the board (as distinct from only for the high earners?), and as necessary for reducing deficit? No, we need to inject stimulation, not harm the economy even more. Run down a healthy budget surplus, again so as to provide stimulus? Can’t, we’re already running a trillion-dollar deficit with decreasing receipts and higher welfare payments (boosting deficit further is one dismal option of course). Cuts interest rates? Down to one percent already. Put an end to two wars and cut military expenditure to say well below half a trillion? Difficult, current outlays not only provide own stimulus, while doing so would cause even more unemployment.

What fancy welfare state!  (Not having a go at you, Shelley!) 
 

The colossal amount of ignorance in this country is staggering. If anything, we've failed to educate. Nothing new. But with all due respect for all .. I think a lot of folks are on "edge" right now due to this historical BS.

Incidentally, my favorite thing about an Obama Presidency will be when this country's well-intentioned but mercilessly deceived community realizes that diversity in ethnicity does not necessarily make for diversity in opinion or thought. When they finally figure out that Obama is just another one of the guys like everybody else, they'll be mad as Hell too. That's when they're going to need us to gently and persuasively guide them back to liberty and the real American way.

I personally can't wait to get my Cadillac Escalade, I think it would look pretty among my collection of workhorses.

I think my Mal and Cattle Dog would look pretty good hanging out da windows.  :o)~