Czech GSD's with bad hips - Page 15

I  just don't want the responsiblity anymore, Gustav.

Joanro...what's your problem...

Nobody said Furo was the father of those 2 dogs...I said he was common in both pedigrees...

Oh yes, Adela vom Ron is from your breeding...go and focus on Hans getting her OFA'd...

Maybe you can help him with some cash to have it done, since the costing is such a beeeeeeg issue... OR
Are you also amongst those who don't trust the OFA or the SV Standards...

Listen up - there has to be a Standard....OR ELSE, there will always be corruption and ..................................

Joan, I personally would not respond at all to the aadilah person.  That will deny the oxygen that the troll craves to keep on trolling, and without the attention, the trolling will quietly die down. 

Some pot stirrer has even been "nice enough" to drop a PM to the troll of the Chrissy situation,  so that she can then keep things stoked.  Enough and more debate has already occurred on that front !

Aadilah, or melody, or whoever you are, since you don't have the fortitude to disclose your identity... you have disclosed your ignorance in each consecutive post you've made.
Aaykay, I agree with you.

aaykay, you and Joan seem to be covering each others back...

Look into the mirror and you would see a troll like no other...

Joan... still waiting for the forum you accused of being bogus and similar to this one...
What, you can't back what you accused...

Boy...I joined this just in time....I x-rayed 2 dogs in the last 2 yrs.....no anesthesia and the vet and I held the dogs in position...both OFA good...I have had 1 dog in the last 25 yrs that was moderately dysplastic...I knew so by the time the dog was 4 months....no x-ray needed...(but comfirmed with x-ray)...both sire and dam were OFA good...any line can produce bad hips....some of you people are absolutely bonkers.....and need to own yorkiepoos:-)

So judron thats it thats your advice really' really' wow your awsome can you come to the next seminar?Groovin lovin life.

Guddu. I hope that in your point 3>" X-rays can be misinterpreted due to poor positioning, mood, training of radiologist, other biases etc. So its not worth getting them done".
you are not referring to what I have said. I would never say that it is not worth to x ray the dog's hips. I x ray all my dogs and the dogs I am breeding.
I am also saying that I do not take OFA results for granted.  I do not think OFA benefits much for me or for GSD. It is a money making venture which  in 46 years of collecting money can not show any benefit to the breed(s) what so ever. That is because  for the reasons above and for the lack of ability of breeders  to effectively use the knowledge of Xray data to begging with.
If I am looking at and considering   data which is seriously flawed as if thay be good data,  then even if I would be knowledgeable enough to use good data, then by using flawed data I am generating a bigger problem. I myself do use the OFA and other registries,  data but only as an orientation point. My main center of gravity of my breeding program  lies in personal knowledge of the dogs , their  hips, elbows , temperament,.....and so on.
If I have a problem   in a breeding program and I am trying to breed it out in 46 years = about 23+ generations and the results are just about 0 then that defines the adage that only a  crazy person is doing same thing over and over and expect different results.  By giving credit to such program is contributing to the established problem. There must be done more.
1. Blind hips x raying. ( pretty much not enforceable )
2. Application of the data into hip improving program.The main  reason why hips are not improving is because the HD is in every dog's genetic make up. You can not breed out what every dog has. You can only push it back and for that you need to know how to do it. It is not easy but  it is to a limited degree possible. But it is not permanent and it will come back as soon as you abandon intentionally or unintentional such program. 
3. Standardized positioning of a dog by  using a cradle. 
4. Get rid of commonly accepted silly believe that hips of the progeny  will be improved if parents have good hip,.... or worse yet  if they are OFAd. 
Hans
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Hi!
First of all, I would never by a dog out of not SVed or OFAed ancestors - but to each its own... ( in Germany NO pedigrees without SV stamp )
As a puppy buyer I want proof, no promise of any breeder.
All the people involved in this thread  normally ask for health certificates, HD/ED proof .. and so on. Every second statement is " buyer beware, take a look at the ancestors! "
Why should there be a difference as soon as well known  people are involved ???

In Germany we right know discuss the x-ray problem...
People talk about the % of the x-rays sent to SV. All of us know, bad x-rays often are not send to SV. A lot of people including me think about changing this system.
The more x-rays, the better we know about the dogs.
Not sending x-rays to OFA / SV or to where ever doesn´t help the breed at all.

Kind regards

So judron thats it thats your advice really' really' wow your awsome can you come to the next seminar


Basler...if you could read..you'd see I didn't give any advice....and yes..awesome I am....as for the seminar invite....nah...I've got dogs to work....